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Belk

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Hi guys, I've been a reader for quit awhile and finally have a reason to create my first post. Ill try to make this sweet and to the point

background:

I'm 35, 5'11", 195 lbs., stocky build with broad shoulders

for many years I have been a lazy fat azz. A year ago this September I got up to 262lbs. I decided I had to do something. I got my diet in check, exercise like crazy, stopped drinking, good gym work outs 5 days a week.

now a year later,I'm 195lbs and feel great. I have good muscle definition so far

I travel for work and was sent to Peru for 3 weeks. I bought a bottle of LEAN from Androgentix Labs (EPI) from MASS MUSCLE before I got here because all I have to do is work and work out in the gym, run. etc. Basically just focus on my body and health.

For irrelevant reasons I'm stuck here for another 7 weeks. Now I didn't realize how easy it is to get TEST E here in Peru. So now I'm thinking of doing my first cycle.

Here's my plan;

30mg EPI ED until I run out. (bottle is 60 caps 15mg each, I've been taking this for roughly 2 weeks already, have 36 caps (18 days) left at time of this write up)
250mg TEST E (125mg twice a week) (Testoviron Depot 250)
Multi Vitamin
Milk thistle
liver support

PCT: I have acquired :

30 tabs of 1 mg Anastrozol
I amp of 5000IU HCG

everything is from a pharmacy.

Here's my questions:

1) Due to funds I can only afford 250 mg of Test E (APPROX $22US/ML) for the next 7 weeks if I start tomorrow. IS this even worth it? I feel like this would be a good mild start for a newb. especially since I was so over weight, and my age, my test levels were probably low anyway. Even if I was making 100mg of test a week naturally ( highly doubt it) that would mean a 250% increase. I also had a Lipid profile done about 14 months ago when I was fat and my numbers where surprisingly good. Bad cholesterol was perfect but good cholesterol was a little low. the numbers should be even better now that I've lost 67 lbs.

2) I have read many post online where guys are running EPI at the end of there cycle and not at the beginning. Now since I've been on it already for a few 2 weeks, should I just keep going or stop and save it for the last 18 days before I start PCT?

Thanks for your advice and please be gentle. I know this isn't the best plan but it is a mild plan.
 
My first reaction is to say 'at least 500 mg' but Im holding back on that. My thing is you are going to do 7 weeks but enanthate will take roughly 4 to really kick in.
You could use the epi at the end of the cycle...but then you will be dead in the water waiting for the enanthate to show up to the party.
Do they sell any shorter esters? say like prop or phenyly prop? they may be better choices given your situation.
 
I've only been able to find TESTOVIRON DEPOT 250. Now the confusing part is that the box says 250mg/ml of testosterone enanthate. But everything I have read says its actually 200mg of E and 50 of prop. but the box has no metion of prop. I have to assume its 250 of E since that's what the box says.
 
Belk said:
Hi guys, I've been a reader for quit awhile and finally have a reason to create my first post. Ill try to make this sweet and to the point

background:

I'm 35, 5'11", 195 lbs., stocky build with broad shoulders

for many years I have been a lazy fat azz. A year ago this September I got up to 262lbs. I decided I had to do something. I got my diet in check, exercise like crazy, stopped drinking, good gym work outs 5 days a week.

now a year later,I'm 195lbs and feel great. I have good muscle definition so far

I travel for work and was sent to Peru for 3 weeks. I bought a bottle of LEAN from Androgentix Labs (EPI) from MASS MUSCLE before I got here because all I have to do is work and work out in the gym, run. etc. Basically just focus on my body and health.

For irrelevant reasons I'm stuck here for another 7 weeks. Now I didn't realize how easy it is to get TEST E here in Peru. So now I'm thinking of doing my first cycle.

Here's my plan;

30mg EPI ED until I run out. (bottle is 60 caps 15mg each, I've been taking this for roughly 2 weeks already, have 36 caps (18 days) left at time of this write up)
250mg TEST E (125mg twice a week) (Testoviron Depot 250)
Multi Vitamin
Milk thistle
liver support

PCT: I have acquired :

30 tabs of 1 mg Anastrozol
I amp of 5000IU HCG

everything is from a pharmacy.

Here's my questions:

1) Due to funds I can only afford 250 mg of Test E (APPROX $22US/ML) for the next 7 weeks if I start tomorrow. IS this even worth it? I feel like this would be a good mild start for a newb. especially since I was so over weight, and my age, my test levels were probably low anyway. Even if I was making 100mg of test a week naturally ( highly doubt it) that would mean a 250% increase. I also had a Lipid profile done about 14 months ago when I was fat and my numbers where surprisingly good. Bad cholesterol was perfect but good cholesterol was a little low. the numbers should be even better now that I've lost 67 lbs.

2) I have read many post online where guys are running EPI at the end of there cycle and not at the beginning. Now since I've been on it already for a few 2 weeks, should I just keep going or stop and save it for the last 18 days before I start PCT?

Thanks for your advice and please be gentle. I know this isn't the best plan but it is a mild plan.
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Alright bro I say keep on the epi but up that to 45mg at least. As for the test 22$ per ml?!?! Shoot bro save your money man and get more to run it at least at 500mg guys cruise on 250mg and you would just be shutting down your own bodies test. Not worth it at all esp when you won't notice all to much of a change maybe just a better sense of well being... just my 2 cents

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yeah its really expensive but I can't get it in the US. and since its legal here I figured the money is worth it while I have the chance.
 
See if you can get test prop and then run that at a higher dose for the shorter duration. You can buy test cheaper through an online "pharmacy" and have it mailed to you where you are. Especially if its legal

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yeah i more inclined to say if you was to run 250mg per week i would run it for 12+ weeks u will grow on that for sure...but for 7 weeks the only choice is prop or blast the test E and front load it as well...but for a first timer i cant condone that....save your money and get enough for a propper run...test E takes weeks to kick in..
 
welcome to MuscleChemistry Belk! Looks like your getting all the advice you need brutha! So good luck with whatever you decide my man
 
thanks presser.

I have spent all day looking for test prop and its just not available. Test E is my only option. I am quite amazed that I can walk into a pharmacy and get this stuff so easily.

what advice can you guys give me on my PCT?
 
Save your first run for something worthwhile man just finish up the epi and use some nolva for a few weeks to get things going if you even need to. Epi is mild on suppression at what your dosing and the length in which you've used it for. You dont need hcg or an ai ... just a serm for 3 to 4 weeks tops. Start nolva the day after your last dose and use it at 40mg day one and then 20mg for three more weeks to bring your test back up.

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I'll chime in. I like all the people in here, but disagree with some of the advise.

First, why would epi be any less suppressive than any other oral? It's not. Dosage doesn't increase or decrease how suppressed you are - it is related to the duration and compound.

Second, if you can get hcg, run it just to be safe.

Third, do NOT run nolvadex. Nolvadex shouldn't be run with steroids that have any prolactin activity. Epi certainly does - I got gyno from it and it wasn't from estrogen - I have bloods to show that and because the sulfur bond in the compound prevents it from aromatizing to estrogen.

Fourth, stay at 250mg of test. My first cycle was 30-40mg of epistane and 250mg for 8 weeks and I gained 27 lbs and kept all of it. Some said that you are running the test at that dosage for only "well being purposes" since epi will shut you down and make you feel bad otherwise. I disagree as 250mg of test for 99% of men will put them well beyond physiological range, but even if you are in the 1%, you should still use it to allow yourself to feel normal on the epi. For a first time user ANY 17a oral should be plenty strong. Hell, I am very very far from a beginner and can still get gains off of half the recommended dosages of most otc prohormones standalone (with trt).

This is just my input brother. Take it for what it's worth. Also, I didn't mean to offend anyone. We are all just sharing our opinions since the entire world of bbing is mostly based off of experience not science.
 
i will say i do not disagree however in my use of epi in comparison to dmz and other ph i didnt ever notice any testicula atrophy .. i can ay tho that i did notic a bit of issues with prolactin once on epi but are yyou saying nolva cannot be used duing pct? curious on that part however i def see what u saying andf no offense taken bro we all including i have a lot of leaning to do

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I agree with blue smurf cobra on the test dose. I gained 14 lbs while on a TRT dose of 180 mg of test cyp. I just started TRT up again after a 4 month break and kept every lb until I started to deliberately diet down to cut some fat. You won't gain 10 lbs in a week, but you'll put on some muscle for sure, provided you eat enough.

250 is probably a good start because you don't yet know what sides you'll experience. I get acne and some other issues at TRT doses after a while, while others can run 500 mg a week with zero for sides, apparently.

I would try it out at 250 a week with nothing else stacked and see how you do. Also have PCT supplies on hand when you start, so it's there when you come off.
 
DEMIGOD said:
i will say i do not disagree however in my use of epi in comparison to dmz and other ph i didnt ever notice any testicula atrophy .. i can ay tho that i did notic a bit of issues with prolactin once on epi but are yyou saying nolva cannot be used duing pct? curious on that part however i def see what u saying andf no offense taken bro we all including i have a lot of leaning to do

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learning** dang tablet
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Atrophy is caused by leydig cell death not suppression.

And I still wouldn't use nolva because prolactin activity doesn't just cease when you stop the drug.
 
Im on TRT and my level were in the 280's the day after my first shot i started getting hard on while riding the bike at the gym. I had rode that bike many times before never getting a hard on so yes for test E to fully kick in is probably 2 weeks but it will be rising after first pin. 7 weeks of test at 250mg pharm grade and epi will give you results ideally would be 12 weeks but in no way do i see it as a waste probably start researching our board sponsors for more
 
just my opinion, but for a first timer 250 should give you some gains. I did for me. DIET, will make the biggest difference. Dont
expect to look like the guys in the magazines, lol, but you should (will, in my opinion) put on some quality muscle on that dose.
8 to 12 lbs and you will look much fuller. Keep us posted and welcome.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys. I have to say the more and more I read the harder it is for me to make a decision on what to do.
I was able to get enough test e for 350mg a week. I pinned my first dose a couple days ago. I could really use some direction for the best pct and what to take while on cycle. This is what I'm having a hard time with.
I think I'm going to stop the epi just so I can narrow down the culprit for any sides that may come.
From what I understand I need to start hcg a week after my last pin. Keep anastrozol on hand and use .25-.50mg eod if needed.
I can say I see a slight difference in definition on my arms from the epi. My strength and stamina is also increased. I am retaining water for sure. I can see/feel it on my stomach the most. I thought this wasn't a side of epi but I guess everybody is different.
 
Belk said:
Thanks for all the advice guys. I have to say the more and more I read the harder it is for me to make a decision on what to do.
I was able to get enough test e for 350mg a week. I pinned my first dose a couple days ago. I could really use some direction for the best pct and what to take while on cycle. This is what I'm having a hard time with.
I think I'm going to stop the epi just so I can narrow down the culprit for any sides that may come.
From what I understand I need to start hcg a week after my last pin. Keep anastrozol on hand and use .25-.50mg eod if needed.
I can say I see a slight difference in definition on my arms from the epi. My strength and stamina is also increased. I am retaining water for sure. I can see/feel it on my stomach the most. I thought this wasn't a side of epi but I guess everybody is different.
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you might want to start a new thread but PCT like nolve or clomid should start about 10 days after last pin. i know you are out of country so either bring some back home or have it mailed to your house soon
 
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