Making my first purchase..EVER of Testosterone Enanthate & Clomid for ten week cycle
Jozifp103
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I think you need to go back to the drawing board. You're close, but there's quite a few things wrong here.
1.) 8 weeks of test E is too short. You don't even reach peak levels until weeks 3-4 and the best part of the cycle is usually weeks 6-12. You'd be stopping right when things get good. If you wanna run 8 weeks, switch to prop.
2.)250mg is a low dose. Yes some people will tell you they blew up on 250mg/week but I'm gonna be realistic here and say you're most likely wasting your time at that dose. 500mg/week is the ideal dose for a first cycle.
3.) No mention of an ai? What are you going to do if e2 gets out of control?
4.) I'd also keep nolvadex on hand in case you are sensitive to gyno, Ai's will usually work for gyno, but if you're one of the unfortunate one's who's sensitive, a serm like novla will stop it dead in its tracks.
5.) Depending on the dose, it will take a couple or several weeks for the hormones to clear your system when you stop. For this reasin it's best to wait 14-21 days after last pin to start pct.
6.) PCT should be nolva AND clomid. I don't care what anyone says....you need both for an effective pct. Some get away with one or the other, but why half ass the most important part of a cycle....RECOVERY.
7.) PCT should be run for 4 WEEKS, not 2. Run nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/50/50.
1.) 8 weeks of test E is too short. You don't even reach peak levels until weeks 3-4 and the best part of the cycle is usually weeks 6-12. You'd be stopping right when things get good. If you wanna run 8 weeks, switch to prop.
2.)250mg is a low dose. Yes some people will tell you they blew up on 250mg/week but I'm gonna be realistic here and say you're most likely wasting your time at that dose. 500mg/week is the ideal dose for a first cycle.
3.) No mention of an ai? What are you going to do if e2 gets out of control?
4.) I'd also keep nolvadex on hand in case you are sensitive to gyno, Ai's will usually work for gyno, but if you're one of the unfortunate one's who's sensitive, a serm like novla will stop it dead in its tracks.
5.) Depending on the dose, it will take a couple or several weeks for the hormones to clear your system when you stop. For this reasin it's best to wait 14-21 days after last pin to start pct.
6.) PCT should be nolva AND clomid. I don't care what anyone says....you need both for an effective pct. Some get away with one or the other, but why half ass the most important part of a cycle....RECOVERY.
7.) PCT should be run for 4 WEEKS, not 2. Run nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/50/50.
I get what your saying but I'm not to keen on looking to more frequent injections with prop. I think the shorter cycle and lower dosage will give me a good baseline on how my body will react to something new. Not trying to get huge my first cycle, I think that's where a lot of newbies go wrong, trying to move to fast with out looking at the risk. I will get the nolva and adjust my times...First time using this source, so I'll stick with the basics until I'm comfortable with the gear he gives me. Will be posting pics b4 I use it to get every ones opinion though.. lol
Jozifp103
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
Your posts are leading me to believe you're not even close to being ready to cycle. Who says you're going to get huge just because you ran a PROPER cycle at a PROPER length? You won't get huge unless you eat to get huge. Diet determines results. I'm telling you how to do it the right way and not waste your time. But if you wanna spend the money on a half assed cycle and get no results....that's on you. Not trying to be a jerk, but you're asking for advice from people who have done this for a while....I'm telling you what WILL happen because I've been there. You're going to think you're making gains when really your just filling up with water, then by the time the real gains start coming...you're going to be ending the cycle...not to mention you're only running half the dose of a basic beginners cycle so you'll be lucky to even get water weight.
That's my .02
I value every ones advice one this site. Like I said, this cycle is to see how my body reacts to a foreign substance. I know my diet is going to determine how I progress, why do you think I've done my research before buying anything. For u to say its going to be a half ass cycle with no results lets me know that u don't understand that ppl's bodies and chemistry are different. I may be able to dose at 250mg and get the result I want. What by the way is "a basic beginners cycle"?...Is there a set dosage that all beginners have to start at? My main concern at this point as a "beginner" , is safety, not gains....Gains will come with time, hard work, and determination. You can't tell me what WILL happen cause you can't see the future. You can tell me what MIGHT happen, and I will adjust my plan accordingly because its coming from some one with experience. I appreciate your advice and hope to learn as much as I can.
gandhisays
Stage Pro
you just lost all credibility with me and that rediculous comment! 500mg a week is not a beginners dosage. absurd really!!
Jozifp103
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
500mg/week for 12 weeks is a standard first cycle. Not sure what is so absurd about that. I'm PRESCRIBED 200mg/week for trt. 250mg is what a lot of people cruise on and is considered a high trt dose. And to promote an 8 week cycle of test E is ridiculous. 10-12 weeks, 10 being the BARE MINIMUM. With prop, it could work, but the real gains don't start coming until weeks 4-6 on test E when you get to peak levels. Like I said, if OP wants to play it safe and ease into it with a short cycle at a small dose, then fine....but there's a difference between being cautious and wasting your time.
Presser
Admin
my first cycle was 250mg a week of test enanthate and i blew the fuck up, 250mg a week of any long ester testosterone is more than ample for a first time steroid cycle!! if you have good gear and you never used steroids before, then you'll grow like a weed off 250mg sorry but i gotta say i don't think its a waist of time
smh...So why would use advise someone with normal test levels to do 500mg? I was taking a test supplement and was making gains after week 2 and it was in pill form. So an 8 week cycle with an injectable will be far from a waist of time. I look forward to updating you on my progress
Vision
New member
Wow, this spiraled out of control quickly!
Allow be to reiterate here; I said this before and I will say this again, this is NOT a one size fits all lifestyle..Goals will vary, metabolisms,system sensitively , internal system network (endocrine) and such will differ from the next..
This standardization of text book dosages crap from 250-500, just toss that out the window and whatever you think is best for everyone..
Lets begin with the the base of 250, can someone achieve results only on 250mgs weekly? absolutely,However, the results are not all the same for each individual, and lets not all be fast to blame diet.. Let's talk about bound test levels/free test real fast..MYSELF personally I score a 1076 ng/dl total, and free was 35.95, this is a good score for me, at the same time I seen guys score well into 1800-2000+..This is where I feel food and begin to enjoy the benefits of test,Like I stated "Begin"..This is maintenance!
Now,before the OP starts his cycle, and decides to see where he reacts, at a particular dose, he should get bloods to compare a base line level of where he is, and where he will go..
Now, lets be hypothetical here.. Say he feels great and he's naturally at 700-800 ng/dl, now that there's exogenous influence (shutting him down),saying the hormone reaches the medium few weeks after, elevating his levels once again ( on a dose much similar to TRT or maintenance doses) bring him back to/ or above 800 or say 1100, with a low free level being optimal say 18ish ( Considering the test remained in its direct course of action, and not converting to estro/e2 ), he would have a slight advantage with this hypothetical scenario, heck he could achieve this by diet alone..
Let's say the test did not remain in its direct course of action and converted to a much potent andro like DHT ( lucky him ), then the targeting properties of this andro can in fact blast his AR's, as a powerful AR medieted activity expression mechanisms, and a non AR activist primarily protein synthesis and increase nitrogen, then the dose of 250 would benefit ( as it has more many due to the instance above)..
Now lets speak for those that have ran 250, after shutting them down,with a short cycle only to recover almost after the magic began to work (weeks 4-5) , once again a hypothetical situation ( with some truth ).. Most regretted running such a low dose, for a short duration especially with a LONG ester (12 min is ideal)..
7-10 users will stress they they later regretted the low dose..
Im a huge advocate for less can be more, and listening and learning how your body responded, fluctuations, spikes, everything that applies to the learning curve, however, 250 hardly a respectable dose to take serious, 400+ would be more ideal especially if one is going through the trouble to shut himself down to replace, replace with the 200mgs and let the other 200mgs build as the esterases enzymes cleave, the the medium increasing in the blood having a stronger output over time as the metabolization is slow with Test E..
To the OP, I would scratch this cycle in all, considering your stats, I would focus more on your diet..You truly can gain more naturally if you apply..You may be very disappointed at the end results with a 250- 8 week cycle..
Allow be to reiterate here; I said this before and I will say this again, this is NOT a one size fits all lifestyle..Goals will vary, metabolisms,system sensitively , internal system network (endocrine) and such will differ from the next..
This standardization of text book dosages crap from 250-500, just toss that out the window and whatever you think is best for everyone..
Lets begin with the the base of 250, can someone achieve results only on 250mgs weekly? absolutely,However, the results are not all the same for each individual, and lets not all be fast to blame diet.. Let's talk about bound test levels/free test real fast..MYSELF personally I score a 1076 ng/dl total, and free was 35.95, this is a good score for me, at the same time I seen guys score well into 1800-2000+..This is where I feel food and begin to enjoy the benefits of test,Like I stated "Begin"..This is maintenance!
Now,before the OP starts his cycle, and decides to see where he reacts, at a particular dose, he should get bloods to compare a base line level of where he is, and where he will go..
Now, lets be hypothetical here.. Say he feels great and he's naturally at 700-800 ng/dl, now that there's exogenous influence (shutting him down),saying the hormone reaches the medium few weeks after, elevating his levels once again ( on a dose much similar to TRT or maintenance doses) bring him back to/ or above 800 or say 1100, with a low free level being optimal say 18ish ( Considering the test remained in its direct course of action, and not converting to estro/e2 ), he would have a slight advantage with this hypothetical scenario, heck he could achieve this by diet alone..
Let's say the test did not remain in its direct course of action and converted to a much potent andro like DHT ( lucky him ), then the targeting properties of this andro can in fact blast his AR's, as a powerful AR medieted activity expression mechanisms, and a non AR activist primarily protein synthesis and increase nitrogen, then the dose of 250 would benefit ( as it has more many due to the instance above)..
Now lets speak for those that have ran 250, after shutting them down,with a short cycle only to recover almost after the magic began to work (weeks 4-5) , once again a hypothetical situation ( with some truth ).. Most regretted running such a low dose, for a short duration especially with a LONG ester (12 min is ideal)..
7-10 users will stress they they later regretted the low dose..
Im a huge advocate for less can be more, and listening and learning how your body responded, fluctuations, spikes, everything that applies to the learning curve, however, 250 hardly a respectable dose to take serious, 400+ would be more ideal especially if one is going through the trouble to shut himself down to replace, replace with the 200mgs and let the other 200mgs build as the esterases enzymes cleave, the the medium increasing in the blood having a stronger output over time as the metabolization is slow with Test E..
To the OP, I would scratch this cycle in all, considering your stats, I would focus more on your diet..You truly can gain more naturally if you apply..You may be very disappointed at the end results with a 250- 8 week cycle..
gunther1986
New member
I'm not sold on your 4% body fat, brother. Do you have pics?
I would also extend the duration a bit. As far as Test Dosage you are fine for a first cycle. Test the waters, see how your body reacts and increase dosages gradually throughout the next cycles. It's a patience game.
Make sure your diet and training are on point (and by that I mean share your diet and make sure you are getting everything you need - I thought my diet was amazing until I learned what amazing really was).
Anyway, wish you an exciting ride, brother, you are gonna feel great
I would also extend the duration a bit. As far as Test Dosage you are fine for a first cycle. Test the waters, see how your body reacts and increase dosages gradually throughout the next cycles. It's a patience game.
Make sure your diet and training are on point (and by that I mean share your diet and make sure you are getting everything you need - I thought my diet was amazing until I learned what amazing really was).
Anyway, wish you an exciting ride, brother, you are gonna feel great
I think I will extend my cycle to 12 weeks, but going to hold off starting until I look more into this blood work you are talking about. It could possibly show me that I can start at a higher dose and be more comfortable with it cause I have the data in front of me. I haven't seen a lot of post on blood work and it seems interesting. The more info the better. Thanx again.
gunther1986
New member
I wouldn't cycle without getting bloodwork done before, during and after PCT.
One to have a baseline, two to see if the gear is working its wonders and if you have any issues and three to see if you have fully recovered.
I would recommend a Female Hormone Panel (yes you read it right), since it includes both testosterone, E2, LH and FSH, as well as complete blood count, liver and kidney panels.
One to have a baseline, two to see if the gear is working its wonders and if you have any issues and three to see if you have fully recovered.
I would recommend a Female Hormone Panel (yes you read it right), since it includes both testosterone, E2, LH and FSH, as well as complete blood count, liver and kidney panels.
Powderguy
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
RTL,
Your first cycle plan looks fine with the few modifications. You can extend it to at least 3 months that would be better. Get your Nolvadex and use 20-40mg a day as needed for anti estrogen and bloating associated with Test.
A low starting dose is fine and there no need to compound with another item. There are lost of info on here for first beginners cycles do your research and never start a cycle without having everything you need on hand.
I dont know what your stats are so make sure you take care of yourself. there are risks associated with your decision to use AAS to build a better physique.
Your first cycle plan looks fine with the few modifications. You can extend it to at least 3 months that would be better. Get your Nolvadex and use 20-40mg a day as needed for anti estrogen and bloating associated with Test.
A low starting dose is fine and there no need to compound with another item. There are lost of info on here for first beginners cycles do your research and never start a cycle without having everything you need on hand.
I dont know what your stats are so make sure you take care of yourself. there are risks associated with your decision to use AAS to build a better physique.
Jozifp103
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
You're under the impression that a higher dose will shut you down harder than a lower dose.....that is not the case. Shutdown is binary...on or off. 250mg of test will shut you down just as much as 500mg. Regardless of the dose....within a few weeks you will be completely shut down. Your baseline blood work will make no difference in the amount you can run.
charliebigspuds
New member
great you want to run a 12 week cylce i realy did not think 8 weeks was any where near long enough...
my only real add to the conversion is 250mg of ug labs most of the time cant be matched with 250 pharm grade most ug labs are under dosed( im not saying all ).
so a higher dosed test might be a better call..im not saying 500..but more than 250 if its a UG..lets not forget that a long estre means less mg per ml..
powder guy woud know the exact mg/ml im sure but not realy relevent to the convo.
ive found that over the years 250mg/ml UG and pharm grade are not the same..and that go's for any other mg/ml
you can still do 1 pin per week..i remember what it was like hand shaking not wanting to stick that 2inch pin in your ass.
my only real add to the conversion is 250mg of ug labs most of the time cant be matched with 250 pharm grade most ug labs are under dosed( im not saying all ).
so a higher dosed test might be a better call..im not saying 500..but more than 250 if its a UG..lets not forget that a long estre means less mg per ml..
powder guy woud know the exact mg/ml im sure but not realy relevent to the convo.
ive found that over the years 250mg/ml UG and pharm grade are not the same..and that go's for any other mg/ml
you can still do 1 pin per week..i remember what it was like hand shaking not wanting to stick that 2inch pin in your ass.
