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    Default Why are so Many Athletes Testing Positive for 4-chloro Anabolic Steroids?

    The East Germans experimented with other incarnations of 4-chloro substituted anabolic steroids, some of which were variants of Oral Turinabol (11beta-Hydroxy-Oral Turinabol), and others that didn’t even have names (called “steroid substance 482” and “steroid substance 648”), none of which were ever released by pharmaceutical companies. They were remarkeably difficult to detect, and were all highly effective.

    Still, we are talking about drugs that are literally decades old. But they’re not just old…some of them were never produced commercially.

    Which makes me wonder why so many athletes are testing positive for these particular (and somewhat obscure) anabolic steroids. We’ve seen more in the past few years than in the decades prior, which indicates a very strong trend, to my way of thinking. Granted, I’ve seen the raw powder available from numerous Chinese sources, and finished product available on some price lists for American underground labs, but what’s the facination with them?

    There seems to be almost no connection between the sports and athletes getting popped:
    • In 2013, Italian Cyclist Stefano Agostini tested positive for Clostebol and was given a 15 month suspension.

    • Dee Gordon, the reigning National League batting champion, tested positive for Clostebol and
    Testosterone and is serving an 80 game suspension.

    • A pitcher for the Lehigh Valley IronPigs (The Phillies minor league team), Alec Asher, was suspended for 80 games after testing positive for Oral Turinabol. From the Phillies MLB team,
    Daniel Stumpf tested positive for the same drug earlier this season.

    • In April, Chris Colabello (The Blue Jays first baseman) was suspended for 80 games after testing positive for Oral Turinabolf.

    • Hammer thrower Kirill Ikonnikov (Russia) has been suspended for life from all sports-related activities after a positive test for Oral Turinabol.

    • St. Louis Cardinals catcher Cody Stanley was suspended in September of last year (2015) after he tested positive for OT

    • The United States Anti-Doping Agency suspended Frank Mir for testing positive due to Oral Turinabol metabolites.

    • Then, about a week ago, Texas Rangers minor-league catcher Melvin Novoa was suspended for 56 games, again for testing positive for clostebol. And only a few days ago, Mariners prospect Boog Powell tested positive for Oral Turinabol.

    And that’s only a brief list of people who have tested positive for a 4-chloro steroid. So why is this type of drug responsible for so many failed drug tests? I believe the answer is in the fact that until recently, it was difficult for anti-doping labs to detect.

    Any drug an athlete takes will break down into metabolites, a residue of the drug that can stay in the system long after the original or parent drug has cleared. Turinabol, like most oral steroids, breaks down relatively quickly in the body and was cleared so rapidly that it became undetectable after a week (or less). Clostebol wasn’t much easier to detect. Two years ago, researchers found that by increasing the sensitivity of their testing equipment, they could detect some Oral Turinabol metabolites up to 35 days after ingestion, with speculation that ideal circumstances would extent the detection time up to two full months. My suspicion is that the Clostebol test isn’t very far behind, in terms of sensitivity.

    So why are so many athletes testing positive for this family of anabolics? I suspect that no more are using it than previously, but rather that a breakthrough in testing has managed to trap some of the athletes who are now mis-timing their use.
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    great lol, a break through in testing lol,

    anyone know what Jon Jones Got popped for yesterday or 2 days ago that made them call off the main fucking event
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    I've been trying to find out as well. They've been pretty tight lipped about it
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    AKN you hit it right on the head!! It takes an inordinate length of time for the world to change in evolutionary terms, thousands of years. Since the gear you just mentioned has been around for a minuscule fraction of that time and is now detectable it just means that the evolution of technology that is much more dynamic as that of evolution is the reason why a lot more of athletes are now being caught. Look at the "Double Helix"; DNA. Who would have thought that we would ever be able to see it when it was first discovered?? Not only can we now see it but we have decoded its mysterious chain. What was responsible for that; advancements in Technology
    Quote Originally Posted by akn View Post
    The East Germans experimented with other incarnations of 4-chloro substituted anabolic steroids, some of which were variants of Oral Turinabol (11beta-Hydroxy-Oral Turinabol), and others that didn’t even have names (called “steroid substance 482” and “steroid substance 648”), none of which were ever released by pharmaceutical companies. They were remarkeably difficult to detect, and were all highly effective.

    Still, we are talking about drugs that are literally decades old. But they’re not just old…some of them were never produced commercially.

    Which makes me wonder why so many athletes are testing positive for these particular (and somewhat obscure) anabolic steroids. We’ve seen more in the past few years than in the decades prior, which indicates a very strong trend, to my way of thinking. Granted, I’ve seen the raw powder available from numerous Chinese sources, and finished product available on some price lists for American underground labs, but what’s the facination with them?

    There seems to be almost no connection between the sports and athletes getting popped:
    • In 2013, Italian Cyclist Stefano Agostini tested positive for Clostebol and was given a 15 month suspension.

    • Dee Gordon, the reigning National League batting champion, tested positive for Clostebol and
    Testosterone and is serving an 80 game suspension.

    • A pitcher for the Lehigh Valley IronPigs (The Phillies minor league team), Alec Asher, was suspended for 80 games after testing positive for Oral Turinabol. From the Phillies MLB team,
    Daniel Stumpf tested positive for the same drug earlier this season.

    • In April, Chris Colabello (The Blue Jays first baseman) was suspended for 80 games after testing positive for Oral Turinabolf.

    • Hammer thrower Kirill Ikonnikov (Russia) has been suspended for life from all sports-related activities after a positive test for Oral Turinabol.

    • St. Louis Cardinals catcher Cody Stanley was suspended in September of last year (2015) after he tested positive for OT

    • The United States Anti-Doping Agency suspended Frank Mir for testing positive due to Oral Turinabol metabolites.

    • Then, about a week ago, Texas Rangers minor-league catcher Melvin Novoa was suspended for 56 games, again for testing positive for clostebol. And only a few days ago, Mariners prospect Boog Powell tested positive for Oral Turinabol.

    And that’s only a brief list of people who have tested positive for a 4-chloro steroid. So why is this type of drug responsible for so many failed drug tests? I believe the answer is in the fact that until recently, it was difficult for anti-doping labs to detect.

    Any drug an athlete takes will break down into metabolites, a residue of the drug that can stay in the system long after the original or parent drug has cleared. Turinabol, like most oral steroids, breaks down relatively quickly in the body and was cleared so rapidly that it became undetectable after a week (or less). Clostebol wasn’t much easier to detect. Two years ago, researchers found that by increasing the sensitivity of their testing equipment, they could detect some Oral Turinabol metabolites up to 35 days after ingestion, with speculation that ideal circumstances would extent the detection time up to two full months. My suspicion is that the Clostebol test isn’t very far behind, in terms of sensitivity.

    So why are so many athletes testing positive for this family of anabolics? I suspect that no more are using it than previously, but rather that a breakthrough in testing has managed to trap some of the athletes who are now mis-timing their use.
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    I don't know why Sports Officials are getting their panties in a knot for people using steroids becoz athletes using them changes nothing other them the outcome of the event with respect to the participants. Let me clarify that since it looks like I am talking SHIT!! For example, look at the results that Presser, The Dude and I am sure others here that use AAS have achieved. I am sure that there are others that have used AAS here that was not as successful. Why??? Well for one, we don't all have the same genetics and that is the main one. I don't give a fuk if you inject a poodle with a bucket full of gear it will never become a motherfucking Great Dane..I hear the same shit about Barry Bonds using steroids, do you think if we gave everybody the same gear he takes and put then in front of a guy like Nolan Ryan bring heat of 120 mph fast ball they would be able to hit him??..Let me put forth this simple question/a simple answer to illustrate my point. "Is 6 of one" the same as a "half a dozen of another" ?? The answer is yes!! Half a dozen, base on our knowledge of a dozen being 12 might look bigger but its not. In Sports as we all know no athlete is the same so based on those differences putting a constant(something that does not change like AAS) in the equation really changes nothing except the cosmetics of the outcome...a more spectacular one.
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    great lol, a break through in testing lol,

    anyone know what Jon Jones Got popped for yesterday or 2 days ago that made them call off the main fucking event
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    I was actually JUST looking at the list of Olympic weightlfters that have failed drug tests. I think there was 200 and some failed lifters. Here check it out.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...798/edit#gid=0
    Anyways, while dianabol was easily number one. I had noticed clostebol. I have literally never heard of that before, and then just saw you mention it. There are quite a few failed tests for that family of drugs you mentioned. I just thought it's odd that oly lifters would even bother with it honestly.

    off topic. in 2008, 11 greek lifters failed testing for the Olympics and all for the same 3 substances. Methyltrienelone, aromatase inhibitor, and buprenorphine. buperenorphine!? the fuck?

    anyways check out the link, its pretty cool
     

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