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10-11-2017, 02:19 PM #1
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2nd cycle
Hello peeps
im half way into week 3 of my cycle..
225 mg test prop 1-4
300 mg NPP 1-8
500 mg test e 1-16
600 mg eq 1-16
anavar 50mg 8-16
as an AI I知 taking .5 mg of arimidex eod.. I知 trying to use this cycle as a cutting cycle cutting the most fat I can. I mannaged to somehow gain 8lb in just the first 2 weeks so I知 guessing I知 retaining water and I do see my self getting bloated.. today I have cleaned up my diet and looks like I値l be a bit under 1600 calories.. hopefully that puts me back in the fat burning zone and start seeing weight loss. My issues is that I致e been feeling really hungry even minutes after having a meal don稚 know if it痴 the eq or NPP as those are new compounds I have used. The bloat I知 sure it痴 the test e since that痴 the same that happen to me on my first cycle.. should I drop the eq now to stop the hunger? I知 thinking of upping my NPP dose to 400 mg a week after I drop the test prop to see if I get any fat loss from it.. I知 also considering adding tren to my cycle after I drop NPP and add anavar to help with the fat loss.. I知 attaching a picture of my macros to see if you guys can advise on my diet. Keeping calories low since I知 trying to cut a lot of weight. Thanks for any advise
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If that's total potassium u need 5000 per day. That helps with bloating.
I always gain the first week or 2 especially with a stack like that.
U prolly have 2000 mg of gear per week, if i were u I would've kept it under 1000-1500!
Also if u have eq at 600 plus npp at 400
Then if u trying to cut then I would drop test to around 300 but I do things a little different.
I don't use eq with deca or npp
My reason is both can aromatase after a certain dose even more together not to mention your test being about 400 with them.
Sure lots of people combine those but I feel it's better for experienced users. Not knocking u brother, but this us your second cycle.
I would lower test to around 300 and lift eq up to 800-900 to get the effect u looking for at alot less complicated.
Or in the first hand would have used test with primo.
Test with higher primo or
Test at 300-400 and primo 600 Eq at 400-600.
BUT if u used something that doesn't aromatase like primo and mast then u can run your test at 600-750 no problem.
Also adding proviron to this all u need is 10mg of nolva a day and aromatase would not be an issue at all.
I seldom run an AI .5 adex 2x a week at very most always.
But combining those at those doses will make them all feed each other and allow eq, npp, and test to all aromatase each of them with a progesterone function as well.
I feel those combos are way too complex for me to even wanna deal with to be honest.
That's my input brother good luck!!
Oh and another thing u always wanna add more dht no aromatase steroids if u trying to lean. In my option that balance is off!!!
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10-11-2017, 05:26 PM #3
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I’m gonna drop me test e to 300 and see if that helps.. I’ll up my potassium as well
I’ll review my cycle with your suggestion and see what other changes I can do..Muscle mechanic liked this post
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10-11-2017, 05:42 PM #4
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Nothing is WRONG with cycle.
It's just hard to tell which one is giving trouble if trouble starts.
I am different than alot of guys too.
I only stack two and 1 oral and not always an oral at all.
If u see me stacking serveral
It's non aromatase gear in the stack with low to moderate test.
That's just me!
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10-11-2017, 05:59 PM #5
MM hit your gear questions, I will try to help you with a little nutrition help.
Your going low calorie so you are going to be hungry; couple of things you can do if possible, increase your fiber to 25 to 35 grams a day ( lot of veggies, nothing starchy like potatoes or corn). Cut as much of the sugar as you can, high sugar in a calorie deficient state = hungry!!!
If you can handle it use the ECA stack to help curb your hunger.Miguels, Muscle mechanic thanked for this post
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10-11-2017, 06:51 PM #6
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My sugar and carbs are high because of the sugar in my coffee.. I will cut my morning coffee and replace with a protein shake. About the hunger thing.. it’s not the calories I’m consuming it’s the gear. I have never gotten hungry this way. I could go all day with no food and have a meal all day and not be hungry. Now I’m hungry minutes after I eat. It’s managable right now but don’t want it to get worse
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10-11-2017, 09:31 PM #7
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The protein and calories seem a bit low. How much do you weigh? Your cutting then you shouldn't be consuming any sugar unless immediately after training. Try upping the protein and eat nuts or some kind of healthy fat with it. For a filling meal. Then keep carbs to only pre and post workout. This works for me. Some mornings I eat carbs too. Especially legs and chest days.
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My first thought from that is how much do you weigh because that protein seems low. In that stack I would like to see Masteron and you could get rid of the AI possibly also. What multi vitamin do you take also?
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10-11-2017, 11:34 PM #9
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I agree with masher and def metal!
I had a bloating issue but my
protien was around 350-400 grams
Carbs 350
Fats 90
Calories 3300-4000
I lowered sodium upped potassium
Cut protien down to 250 and was good.
I am 5'8" my weight is 196
My bf 10%?? Abs showing
Now I am cutting I am not consistant with diet but my
cals will be around 3000 for now
My potasium i always shoot for 4000-5000
My carbs will be cycled all in after workout and not after 3pm no food after 7pm
Fasted workouts with only protien 4 gram carb and hgh pre-workout. Preferably I get up at 4am hit hgh at 4:45 protien at 5:15 workout 5:45 to almost 7am food at 7:15 with carbs
I will keep protien between 225 and 300.
I will keep fat around 70-90
I will start eating lean meat and veggies, sweat potatoes, oats as carbs but try to eat every 2 hours.
Once I get carb cycling right I don't need to pay attention as much to everything else I can feel ketosis and I will go in and out!!
This is what I do!!! But I am just a guy who likes to keep up and never get left behind!!!
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10-12-2017, 01:09 AM #10
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My plan is to bump my protein to at least 250g.. my protein was low because I didn’t have any meat source for lunch but tomorrow I will have chicken so I should be good. My carbs I want to keep them under 150g because I’m super sensitive to carbs.. I’m cutting sugar and will avoid processed food. Planning on cutting 20lbs with this cycle of 16 weeks
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Some brand called gat which I think it German. I also take vitamin e, c, B, zinc, d and probiotics
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10-12-2017, 02:47 AM #11
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I take sports multi vitamin dollar gen Wal-Mart brand
I take fish oil 3000 mg
Co q10 200 mg
B6 100 mg (carpal tunnel)
Triple strength joint supplement
Nac 600-1200 mg
Milk thistle 400 mg
Garlic 1000mg
Digestive enzymes
I think that covers it.
I mostly only use 1 protien mix a day with water pre-workout
If i don't have a source of meat I may get me something anything, roadkill, may be even become Cannibal!! Lol!
If bad comes to worse pork rines have alot of protien, cottage cheese, Greek yogurt
Protien is always there for me.
I have meat always, chicken, alot of lean red meat, and ground beef cooked all ways. My wife cooks everything with extra meat and it all comes with me to work.
My area of fridge I can live at work for a week without starving I have everything in fridge or locker. Lol!!
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I've never used digestive enzymes. I know a lot of guys do. Especially since most of us eat 4-7 times a day! Do you notice a big difference with them? What would you say is the advantages of taking them? I poop so much I feel like I eat for nothing sometimes. Not sure if digestive enzymes would help..
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10-12-2017, 09:36 PM #13
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They help sluggish metabolism and help absorb food more.
Without them
I shit like I gotta run in morning and stomach turns then flotch a big pile.
With them solid turds and they don't float,
Proper color!!!
They are so cheap I go with them!!!
Out right now!! U think it's buy one get one most of time for like $4 Wal-Mart
They chewable and taste good take before eating
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Cycle update
the day after I posted this thread the hunger went away. Most the sugar I consumed was from milk and that’s about the only sugar I’m consuming. Also stopped eating fruit high in sugar.. the weight has started to melt away the last 2 day.. this is actually a good cutting cycle.yellow snow liked this post
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10-16-2017, 11:30 PM #18
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Week 4 and starting to feel it
fat continues to drop. Can’t say strength gain is up but the focus and the will to keep pushing is really high. I did chest today and got on a press machine. When I pushed the weight it felt really heavy and I thought I’d get only 5 reps. Was actually able to get 10 reps and felt stronger each set that I stayed on it for 2 more sets. Used cialis as a pre work out and got a good pump but don’t know if it’s due to actually pushing more weight. Cleaning up my diet I dropped 14 lbs after going 8. Will try to keep dropping fat
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Week 4 I did 400mg of npp. The last 2 weeks I’ve been on 450mg and it seems to be the sweet spot. Strength is about 15% up could be more. My libido is way up but I’m not lasting long like before. 7 minutes to 10 the most and I’m emptying.. only good thing is I can jump back on it. 500mg test e 300 mg eq and 450mg npp. Lowered arimidex to .5 mg a week and seems to have helped get stronger but retaining more water weight. This is 7 week update
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11-10-2017, 10:18 PM #20
OP , you need to COMMIT to cutting . Your cycle is not the best cutting cycle, and your last post states that your strength is up 15% .. do you really think that if you were committed to cutting that your strength would be UP 15% ? no of course not. your strength is up because of all the water and weight you gained from the start of the cycle (again thats not cutting brother). sure your getting a little bit from the anaboics but still it wouldn't be that profound a few weeks in especially in a calorie deficit.
couple points
- you did not need to front load a cut cycle with test prop with test e as a base (thats classic bulking protocols).. should of just low dose Test from day one
- I see nothing in your cycle that promotes lipolysis directly (no Clen, no T3, no HGH, no Yohimbe) .. all I see is a bunch of testosterone. you could of just got by with way less anabolics and test and used only 200mg test per week, 500mg NPP, 50mg a day Var and then add a fat burner.
but again I don't think your committed to a cut. no one that is serious about a cut is so concerned about getting stronger like you are.
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Good points.
I am on cut
Test prop 50mg ev day
Tren a 75mg then 100 ev day
Mast prop 125mg everyday
Proviron 100mg everyday
Avar 50mg pre-workout
Nolva 10mg a day
Aromasin 12.5 eod
T3/t4 50mcg of each
Hgh 5iu a day
I upped test prop to 100 a day got so dry elbow tendonitis started.
I an losing fat after my 2nd vial of
tprop/mprop/tren a 300 or 100 of each
Back to prop at 50 a day resr same with halo.
It will be this week Thurs maybe.
Water will fall off and I will have drive get killer pumps but strength is already down and will go down more .
But gear will drive me to push.
I have stayed same top strength for years and years but muscle needs water and lots of glycogen for strength
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11-11-2017, 12:01 PM #22
now thats a proper cut cycle !
for me and my body , I'd of just kept the test prop at 50mg every day (or better yet just test e at 250mg a week).. test is the only thing in your stack that aromatizes, and if you keep the dose low enough you wouldn't need the Nolva and hardly any AI as well (letting your estrogen elevate just a bit would help the joints by lowering your AI).. also, being your running both Masteron and Proviron, both those compounds have a strong affinity to SHBG, so your going to free up a ton more testosterone then normal with those compounds and thats why you could get by running as low as 200mg a week of test and still get good testosterone/androgen effects out of it (while still keeping aromatization at a minimum).
BUT sounds like your trying to get super 'dry' too, so keeping your estrogen on the very low side is ideal for that , but again you wouldn't want to add more Test (NPP added in the mix would help the joints and you'd be able to keep estrogen super low with that as well)
For fat loss are you breaking up your HGH dose throughout the day or taking it all at one time ? 2iu first thing in the morning with fasted cardio, then another 3iu pari-workout would be my protocol for fat loss with 5iu's of GH (I'd micro dose some insulin with that too to get an IGF spike as well as use it to lower blood sugar and force me to burn more fat.. I'm talking only 1-2iu slin)Last edited by gearheaded; 11-11-2017 at 12:04 PM.
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Hope OP doesn't mind us in his thread but it's info to learn being his 2nd cycle.
I had my test prop at 50mg per day starting cut but....
I been pinning daily since August with primo, prop, sust, and mast prop on lean bulk.
I got a blend 2 vials
testp/mastp/trena 300mg/ml 100 of each.
I used it to cut down on oil ml a while.
Almost done with 2nd vial and with change
Ratio to
test p 50 everyday
Tren a 75-100 everyday
Mast prop 125-150mg everyday
Primo e 75mg everyday
Everything else same.
But will cut aromasin.
I just did this cut to lean up go into holidays lean and eating healthy
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im adding var the last 6 weeks of the cycle.. t3 will be added as well
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@gearhead
bro, I tried T3 on my last cycle. I think T3 messed me up cause as soon as I stopped taking it I gained fat in record time. It’s been 5 months and my metabolism is still low. I tapered it like many forums suggests it but still mess me up. On T3 I can drop fat but don’t want to screw my thyroid up so winging it without T3. Clean I’m a little shy of it. Might give it a go by next cycle. I’m leaning more to GW and might add it in 2 weeks and see how that goes
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11-13-2017, 02:38 PM #27
Most peoples Thyroid bounces right back after taking T3 (different mechanism of action then the HPTA and testosterone shut down and is easily recovered)..
I personally do not recommend the taper method. When your done taking T3 then come right off as soon as possible, ,tapering the dose lower over time will do nothing but slow your metabolism down.
I'm guessing you gained some fat and your metabolism slowed down simply because you did use the taper method and because of the diet itself ,, being in a calorie deficit for a cut for months at a time will slow your 'natural' metabolism down, you were artifically increasing your metabolism with the drug T3 , but when you came off your metabolism went back to its normal state, which would be much slower because of the calorie restricted diet ..
I advise doing 're-feeds' and diet breaks often in order to keep your metabolism rolling at a good pace.. at this point you may need to reverse diet for a bit and get the metabolism cranked back up ,, then you can go back to a cut diet and implement re-feeds and diet breaks.
I think that is really all that is going on and that the T3 did not "mess you up"Muscle mechanic liked this post
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Agree.
But my deal is why stop taking it.
I take t3/t4 mix I will stop before TRT bloods but really 50mcg t3/t4 50mcg is all I take.
Hgh suppresses
I will try 100mcg of t4
If i am low my Dr can put me on it.
Most people take thyroid treatments on their own.
BUT thyroid is always a working functioning gland it isn't shut down it just regulates output and most often will keep up with the stimulation giving with extra t3 after stopping.
Unless a true thyroid issue was already going on taking t3 will not cause one!!
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Please DO NOT DO THAT!!!!
U should take T3 50mcg in morning!!!
This will be affective.
It's better to take t3/t4 mix 50mcg of each.
U should assess tolerance before going up.
And it all should be taken in morning before a meal or any drink but water for at least 20-30 minutes or it may not absorb.
T3/t4 mix better because t4 will convert over to more t3(active hormone later)
My opinion is to not ever go over 120mcg of t3 ever.
And my option is to find comfortable dose and stay at it until desired weight is lost.
If u use 50-100mg mcg it should be well more than enough and anabolic steroids will hold muscle and t3 give more of metabolism to feed muscle by turning over more food to shuttle to muscles
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Okay.. I’ll be picking up some T3 in a few weeks and give it a try and stack it with the Anavar.. the weight doesn’t move much but starting to get the powerlifter look. Not the look I’m going for but it’s way better than what I looked like last year. I have girls at work touch my arms and they are amazed that it feels like I have no fat. They just say too bad I don’t look like how I feel lol I’m getting solid and haven’t even got on tren yet. I need to work on my cardio. My cardio has been lacking really bad. I get bored of it and the shin pumps are making it even harder. I’m just not too committed to cardio at this moment but know it’s needed to achieve fat lose.
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Forgot to say that the last 2 weeks I’ve been getting back pumps on a daily bases. Bend over for a few seconds and feel like I’ve being doing lower back exercises. Today I’m getting them just sitting at my desk and leaning forward. The cramps are also getting worse. I haven’t gotten them the past few nights so I get to sleep but if I flex or something I get a nasty cramp. I tried eating bananas and drinking 2 gallons of water and it does nothing for cramps
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Cleaned up my diet and dropped 13 lbs this week. Did not take any fat burners or T3 and still dropped a lot.. started the second half of my cycle with 50mg of tren Ed end it’s workig for me. No bad sides yet on sleepless nights or sweating like crazy at night. My cardio went to shit but seems like what I do double or triples in calories burned. Somehow strength is still up from when I started.
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the weight i now dropping fast.. down 18 lbs the last 2 weeks
second time on tren and it going better with less sides than last time and im pinning more of it.. no night sweats or anything. first time i was getting high blood pressure by the 3rd weekPresser liked this post
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15 days later and im down 27 lbs.. topped tren las week but seem to keep losing fat.. im down 27 lbs this month and still got 2 more weeks to go on cycle.. i added lgd and ostarine from mc so dont know if thats helping shed fat.. not to mention due to holidays i only worked out 4 days in 14 days so not bad.. if its the lgd and ostarin making me drop weight im going to get me more
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