What do you think? First cycle..need advice

Hi everyone!

After 3 years of working out, I have decided to run my first cycle!

Age 25
Hight 179cm 5.8
Wight 80 kg 176
bf i less than 12%
I have gone throw both cutting and bulking phase, i can say i know how do both.

my goal is to add more clean mass ..

should I run this cycle ?

test prop 400mg 1-12 weeks
"the only reason i am using test prop is because it is the most guaranteed test i can buy on the market ,where i live"
Aromasin 12.5 EOD, i have Arimidex in hand if my estrogen crashed

i am still not sure how and when to run HCG

should i run in the last four week of my cycle 1,000 IUs EOD

for my pct, when should i start it? since the ester of testosterone i used is short. should i start right after one day of my last inject? or wait for three more days?

my pct is going to be

Clomid 50mg 1-2 week, 25mg 2-4week
Nolva 40mg 1-2 week, 20mg 2-4 week
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD 1-4 week

my diet would be close to 3000cal, very clean
350g of protein
250g of carb
60g of fat


I am still thinking of finishing the cycle with winstrol since it is my first cycle, and as they say you get the best result out of your first cycle!
i always want to gain muscle and lose fat at the same time lol
should i do it!!

Thanks and appreciate the help !!
love you all!!

Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com

As far as should you do a cycle. If you have been training consistently for 3 years, eating right, changing things up when needed and hit a plateu, I don't see a huge problem with it. 300 mg test prop a week would be a good place to start. EOD would be a minimum. As far as HGC check out this link---

H.C.G. During Your Steroid Cycle ~VERSUS~ H.C.G. Post Steroid Cycle. BIG DIFFERENCE !!!

If you decide to stay natural try getting a diet and training coach or a new training partner to push you over where you are now.

Listen to Iron, he knows what he is talking about.

Iron-game said:

Welcome to MuscleChemistry.com

As far as should you do a cycle. If you have been training consistently for 3 years, eating right, changing things up when needed and hit a plateu, I don't see a huge problem with it. 300 mg test prop a week would be a good place to start. EOD would be a minimum. As far as HGC check out this link---

H.C.G. During Your Steroid Cycle ~VERSUS~ H.C.G. Post Steroid Cycle. BIG DIFFERENCE !!!

If you decide to stay natural try getting a diet and training coach or a new training partner to push you over where you are now.

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thanks a lot for the link

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drtbear1967 said:

Listen to Iron, he knows what he is talking about.

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i will

I would save the winnie for a run down the line. Your first run is best with test, and I think your 400mg a week is a great starting point.

yellow snow said:

I would save the winnie for a run down the line. Your first run is best with test, and I think your 400mg a week is a great starting point.

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i was uncertain about hcg protocol
but after i read the great article
it clears everything for me and had better understanding
i will run 500iu of hcg throughout my cycle start 2-10 week
not hcg in my pct
only nolva clomid and Aromasin

Great and as Yellow Snow said save the winnie for later. You wont need it right now. When you start log your progress here so we can help.

Keep your calories high

I would half it. You do not need more than 200mg of test for the first cycle. You want a therapeutic dose, not less and not more. Back in the early 80's when we cycled we never took more and had great gains and looked great. Lean body mass can only happen so fast. The test simply allows the protein synthesis to occur at a faster rate. Besides this is your first cycle anyway. You have no idea what will happen. Why risk it? Give it some time and see how you respond. Extra testosterone goes through a conversion and you will have more estrogen in circulation. Estrogen effects mood. Yes the blocker will help but the hormone still circulates. Have you ever read the packet that comes with the test? I have and 96% is pissed and pooped out. In the end just do whatever you want, every does anyway. If you get bitch tits just save your money and get them cut off, I believe its 5k.

Beside you can always add more to your system. However the reverse you can not do.. Try 200mg and then wait and see how you feel in a week. Listen to your body above all else.

What do u mean by the test prop is the most guaranteed u can get on the market where u live? R u getting it off someone locally? Gym prices? There's plenty of great sponsors here that can provide quality gear at a better cost. Just do some research before making a purchase. Find out what brand/lab this local market carries n ask around here. More than likely someone here has heard of or possibly used the lab.

As these guys mentioned test only for ur 1st cycle. Want/need to see how u respond to test before starting to add in other compounds. I also agree with the lowest dose possible to achieve ur goals. Start ur 1st off with 200-300mg then can bump it up to 400-500mg on ur 2nd cycle. Also with running the lower dose u prob won't need as much AI (aromasin). Everyone responds differently so the only sure fire way to dial in correct AI dose is thru bloodwork. Speaking of bloodwork, make sure u get pre, mid, n post cycle bloodwork to make sure everything is going well n the gear is good. Ur correct with the HCG 500iu split into 2 pins a week (250iu each) for the duration of ur cycle. Do ur last hcg pin on the same day as ur last test p injection. Can start PCT about a week after ur last shot of both.

Impressive advice from everyone in this thread! I especially like the HCG link posted by iron-game, and its that article that changed my lifetime views on how best to take hcg if even at all, as I was always an end of cycle hcg proponent until overwhelming conclusive evidence was brought forward in back to back recent studies, or recent to that article anyhow, lol.

I agree with MKDK in that you will not need that much test propionate beings its your first ever go around with exogenous hormones. So less is more in your case.

Anyhow, I don’t have anything more to add, I just wanted to point out how helpful everyone was in this thread and give props where due