Slin run

monster-ish · Nov 6, 2017

Alright fellas. I'm getting ready to start my first run with slin tomorrow. The slin I will be using is novolin n because my pharmacy only sells this one and not r. From what I've researched onset of this slin is between 1-2 hours and peaked between 4- 8 roughly.
My plan is to take 4iu pre workout. My thought is that by the time I'm done lifting it's hitting my system right in time for my post workout shake. Then I'll eat a full meal about an hour after that.
I also will have a meal 1 hour before my workout to take any risk of going hypo out of the equation.

As I'm not very experienced in this department I would like some vets on this subject to chime in and let me know what they think of my protocol.
Thanks in advance!

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Presser · Nov 6, 2017

I've only used humalin R and I took it after training and prior on different occasions and did the whole 10grams of carb per I.U. and it works that's for sure but I was lean and always been lean so figured I could cheat a bit and it put fat on me lol cause my dumbass didn't respect it enough lll even though I knew better and gave out advice on being strict to others but when it came time for me to try it, I thought I could eat more fats than I knew not to lol

Presser · Nov 6, 2017

Oh make sure you tell someone close your using it, just in case you go hypo ! Someone needs to know to feed you sugar, you yourself should carry something on you at all times just in case!!

monster-ish · Nov 6, 2017

Presser said:
I've only used humalin R and I took it after training and prior on different occasions and did the whole 10grams of carb per I.U. and it works that's for sure but I was lean and always been lean so figured I could cheat a bit and it put fat on me lol cause my dumbass didn't respect it enough lll even though I knew better and gave out advice on being strict to others but when it came time for me to try it, I thought I could eat more fats than I knew not to lol

I actually decided to go with nov r instead since it seems easier to manage especially for a first timer like me. So presser u recommend I take it immediately post workout and then say a shake with fast carbs?

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Presser · Nov 6, 2017

As long as you don't workout too late and able to feed your muscles til insulin is done. You don't want to be training at 5-6 pm and going to bed at 9 while using it. Humalin R takes too long in my opinion. Humalog is the way to go or whatever is fastest .

Taking it it prior to training and carb loading works well , then big clean high protein meal post workout. It's the same logic when using igf , just more deadly lol

monster-ish · Nov 6, 2017

I'm also running igf as well. I do 50mcg post workout. Can I take both my igf and slin at the same time post workout?

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Presser · Nov 7, 2017

I split em up

gearheaded · Nov 10, 2017

OP , at only 4iu and using Novalin N , you have no real worry of going hypo . You also aren't going to notice much of anything either (no better pumps, fullness, endurance in the gym etc.) . You might notice a bit of fat retention and thats about it . Thats because your taking it without being able to carb load it and by time its kicking in your probably having a full meal that contains both carbs and fat , and those tri-glycerides floating around from that meal will be stored as fat.
Insulin use is all about timing (unless your doing a micro dosing protocol with HGH or even a micro dosing keto diet with slin)

heck you could get nearly 4iu of natural production insulin by slamming 3 bagels post workout (cause your not diabetic) .

Personally I run 20-30iu of insulin R a day (unless I'm doing a micro dosing protocol).. I've never once went hypo cause again its all about timing it right with carbs .

I'd rethink your protocol and insulin type.. not that 4iu of insulin N is going to be bad for you, its just not going to do much (unless you micro dose that through out the day with HGH to get elevated IGF-1 production .. or learn how to mico dose it to lower blood sugar enough to burn fat for a cut .. yes you can use insulin to cut)

monster-ish · Nov 10, 2017

gearheaded said:
OP , at only 4iu and using Novalin N , you have no real worry of going hypo . You also aren't going to notice much of anything either (no better pumps, fullness, endurance in the gym etc.) . You might notice a bit of fat retention and thats about it . Thats because your taking it without being able to carb load it and by time its kicking in your probably having a full meal that contains both carbs and fat , and those tri-glycerides floating around from that meal will be stored as fat.
Insulin use is all about timing (unless your doing a micro dosing protocol with HGH or even a micro dosing keto diet with slin)

heck you could get nearly 4iu of natural production insulin by slamming 3 bagels post workout (cause your not diabetic) .

Personally I run 20-30iu of insulin R a day (unless I'm doing a micro dosing protocol).. I've never once went hypo cause again its all about timing it right with carbs .

I'd rethink your protocol and insulin type.. not that 4iu of insulin N is going to be bad for you, its just not going to do much (unless you micro dose that through out the day with HGH to get elevated IGF-1 production .. or learn how to mico dose it to lower blood sugar enough to burn fat for a cut .. yes you can use insulin to cut)

I actually re thought my whole protocol..
Currently I'm running 4iu pre workout along with my igf. Then 6 hours later im pinning another 4iu. I started low just to see how I react and also how to deal with going hypo if it did happen. I plan on eventually getting up to 10iu pre and another 10 6 hours later. How fast can I go up in dosage?
Thanks for your input

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gearheaded · Nov 10, 2017

first things first .. are you monitoring your blood sugar with a blood sugar meter ?
you need to do fasted blood sugar, pre-wokourt blood sugar, post workout etc etc.. you need to prick your finger 5x a day and know how your body utilizes carbs and then time your insulin around that .
some days I take 10iu insulin pre-workout, sometimes 8 sometimes only 5 ,, but I always check my blood glucose level BEFORE making that decision and then I calculate how many carbs I'll consume intra-workout. then post workout another prick of the finger, calculate the half life and second pass of insulin R, then I'll pin another 10iu of slin and calculate my carbs again .

If you don't have a blood glucose meter and know how your body reacts to slin, sugar and carbs your just shooting in the dark

monster-ish · Nov 10, 2017

gearheaded said:
first things first .. are you monitoring your blood sugar with a blood sugar meter ?
you need to do fasted blood sugar, pre-wokourt blood sugar, post workout etc etc.. you need to prick your finger 5x a day and know how your body utilizes carbs and then time your insulin around that .
some days I take 10iu insulin pre-workout, sometimes 8 sometimes only 5 ,, but I always check my blood glucose level BEFORE making that decision and then I calculate how many carbs I'll consume intra-workout. then post workout another prick of the finger, calculate the half life and second pass of insulin R, then I'll pin another 10iu of slin and calculate my carbs again .

If you don't have a blood glucose meter and know how your body reacts to slin, sugar and carbs your just shooting in the dark

I don't have one. I'll have to grab one asap

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PUMPED · Nov 11, 2017

Best of luck.

steve0178 · Nov 13, 2017

gearheaded said:
OP , at only 4iu and using Novalin N , you have no real worry of going hypo . You also aren't going to notice much of anything either (no better pumps, fullness, endurance in the gym etc.) . You might notice a bit of fat retention and thats about it . Thats because your taking it without being able to carb load it and by time its kicking in your probably having a full meal that contains both carbs and fat , and those tri-glycerides floating around from that meal will be stored as fat.
Insulin use is all about timing (unless your doing a micro dosing protocol with HGH or even a micro dosing keto diet with slin)

heck you could get nearly 4iu of natural production insulin by slamming 3 bagels post workout (cause your not diabetic) .

Personally I run 20-30iu of insulin R a day (unless I'm doing a micro dosing protocol).. I've never once went hypo cause again its all about timing it right with carbs .

I'd rethink your protocol and insulin type.. not that 4iu of insulin N is going to be bad for you, its just not going to do much (unless you micro dose that through out the day with HGH to get elevated IGF-1 production .. or learn how to mico dose it to lower blood sugar enough to burn fat for a cut .. yes you can use insulin to cut)

Great information. So do you think someone who is micro-dosing Novalin R at 2iu with their GH would be okay to take a shot 4 hours before bed assuming 1 large meal full of carbs and protein and another smaller meal (same thing, carbs and protein) before bed? Do you think IM shots spike and pass through your system quicker and might be safer in this situation, 4 hours prior to bed? I want to make sure to actually wake up the next day!

monster-ish · Nov 13, 2017

steve0178 said:
Great information. So do you think someone who is micro-dosing Novalin R at 2iu with their GH would be okay to take a shot 4 hours before bed assuming 1 large meal full of carbs and protein and another smaller meal (same thing, carbs and protein) before bed? Do you think IM shots spike and pass through your system quicker and might be safer in this situation, 4 hours prior to bed? I want to make sure to actually wake up the next day!

Honestly my self I wouldn't risk it bro. But I'm sure a more knowledgeable member will chime in.

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steve0178 · Nov 13, 2017

monster-ish said:
Honestly my self I wouldn't risk it bro. But I'm sure a more knowledgeable member will chime in.

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I keep going back and forth in my mind. It's only 2iu, but why risk it? I'm just not sure running it another way would have the same effect on IGF1 levels. I've thought about changing the second pin to insulin pre-workout, and HGH post work out, but I feel like I'm defeating the purpose of microdosing the two together. I'm really only trying to offset my natural insulin production from the GH.

monster-ish · Nov 13, 2017

steve0178 said:
I keep going back and forth in my mind. It's only 2iu, but why risk it? I'm just not sure running it another way would have the same effect on IGF1 levels. I've thought about changing the second pin to insulin pre-workout, and HGH post work out, but I feel like I'm defeating the purpose of microdosing the two together. I'm really only trying to offset my natural insulin production from the GH.

From everything I've read and researched, it's best to dose gh pre workout and slin post. This is to combat the insulin resistance gh can cause. Maybe if u dose your gh earlier in the day the do slin pre workout. I personally am not running exogenous gh but am running mk677. So dosing protocol is different

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gearheaded · Nov 13, 2017

steve0178 said:
Great information. So do you think someone who is micro-dosing Novalin R at 2iu with their GH would be okay to take a shot 4 hours before bed assuming 1 large meal full of carbs and protein and another smaller meal (same thing, carbs and protein) before bed? Do you think IM shots spike and pass through your system quicker and might be safer in this situation, 4 hours prior to bed? I want to make sure to actually wake up the next day!

yes only 2iu of Novalin R is just fine 4 hours before bed .. Guys take 2iu completely fasted with zero carbs while cutting just to lower their blood glucose levels and put them in a better fat burning mode while doing fasted cardio. 2iu is not even going to phase you.
I take 20-30iu and have never once gone hypoglycemic (you just gotta calculate and factor in your carbs.. personally I take Amleopectin when taking Slin, which is a high molecular weight super fast digesting carb) ,, however I have went Hypoaklemia (low blood potassium is more dangerous then low blood sugar)

it does not matter much if you do IM or sub-q , once novalin R enters the blood stream the peak will hit in about 30-45 mins , followed by a secondary peak 2 hours later.. only difference is that IM will allow for faster absorption into the blood stream (by 15mins or so).

Micro dosing insulin with GH is safe (unless your a total idiot) and its effective . if your goal is to stay lean but get amplified IGF1 levels while on GH and also lower blood sugar levels then thats the way to go .. I've done it off and on for months at a time , its much safer then mega dosing insulin Pari-workout like I'm currently doing (up to 30iu per day).

just to put it in perspective, your liver alone contains enough glucose just in itself to keep your from ever going into insulin shock from taking too much insulin (let alone your whole body , which in case of overdose your body will release liver glycogen and muscle glycogen into the blood stream to keep you from dying,, let alone the fact you can just consume carbs as well .. again, Hypoalkemia is far more dangerous and your body has no way to restore blood potassium levels like it can blood sugar levels).. <---- this is not to say that you should push the envelope with Slin , take it lightly, or make a stupid mistake and accidentally inject 100iu instead of 10.

Another option if your just wanting lower blood glucose levels while on GH and not looking for enhancements or muscular growth that comes from slin is to just use a good GDA or Metformin

gearheaded · Nov 13, 2017

monster-ish said:
From everything I've read and researched, it's best to dose gh pre workout and slin post. This is to combat the insulin resistance gh can cause. Maybe if u dose your gh earlier in the day the do slin pre workout. I personally am not running exogenous gh but am running mk677. So dosing protocol is different

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Personally I dose HGH about 45 mins pre-workout , then I dose 10iu of slin right before the workout, then I dose another 10iu of slin about 20 mins after the workout.. being HGH will elevate GH blood serum levels for 2.5-3 hours this has me covered during this whole time and will interact with the Slin synergistically and amplify IGF levels . I do not take Slin 'just' to mitigate the elevated blood sugar levels that come from HGH use,, I use it to amplify IGF levels plus force Glycogen and Amino's into the muscle cells (which results in more growth)

gearheaded · Nov 13, 2017

An interesting point I'll throw into this thread just for entertainment and education purposes, is that its nearly impossible to go into hypoglycemic shock, pass out, or go into a coma from "over-dosing" on Insulin IF you are in a state of Ketosis (Ketogenic diet).. the reason the brain shuts down from taking too much insulin is that it becomes quickly starved of its energy source, glucose, and with no glucose as fuel it shuts down .

HOWEVER if your body is producing a secondary brain fuel source, Ketones, and they are readily available in the blood stream from being in a state of ketosis, then it does not matter if you'd 'od' on insulin and it drives blood sugar to zero because your brain is running off Ketones to begin with ,, you basically cannot starve your brain of glucose and thus die from insulin use as your brain is running off Ketones rather then glucose anyways.

Theoretically , taking exogenous Ketones may be a way to combat any possible Hypoglycemic shock events that may occur when using exogenous insulin.. the ketones could be a secondary safety measure . NOT that this is really necessary if you know what your doing and you know how to use and time insulin to begin with . its just a thought

steve0178 · Nov 13, 2017

gearheaded said:
yes only 2iu of Novalin R is just fine 4 hours before bed .. Guys take 2iu completely fasted with zero carbs while cutting just to lower their blood glucose levels and put them in a better fat burning mode while doing fasted cardio. 2iu is not even going to phase you.
I take 20-30iu and have never once gone hypoglycemic (you just gotta calculate and factor in your carbs.. personally I take Amleopectin when taking Slin, which is a high molecular weight super fast digesting carb) ,, however I have went Hypoaklemia (low blood potassium is more dangerous then low blood sugar)

it does not matter much if you do IM or sub-q , once novalin R enters the blood stream the peak will hit in about 30-45 mins , followed by a secondary peak 2 hours later.. only difference is that IM will allow for faster absorption into the blood stream (by 15mins or so).

Micro dosing insulin with GH is safe (unless your a total idiot) and its effective . if your goal is to stay lean but get amplified IGF1 levels while on GH and also lower blood sugar levels then thats the way to go .. I've done it off and on for months at a time , its much safer then mega dosing insulin Pari-workout like I'm currently doing (up to 30iu per day).

just to put it in perspective, your liver alone contains enough glucose just in itself to keep your from ever going into insulin shock from taking too much insulin (let alone your whole body , which in case of overdose your body will release liver glycogen and muscle glycogen into the blood stream to keep you from dying,, let alone the fact you can just consume carbs as well .. again, Hypoalkemia is far more dangerous and your body has no way to restore blood potassium levels like it can blood sugar levels).. <---- this is not to say that you should push the envelope with Slin , take it lightly, or make a stupid mistake and accidentally inject 100iu instead of 10.

Another option if your just wanting lower blood glucose levels while on GH and not looking for enhancements or muscular growth that comes from slin is to just use a good GDA or Metformin

Excellent info. Thank you so much for your input!

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