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    I know this has been talked about alot and different options on what to do....

    If u asked me I what tell u this.
    Start with testosterone 400mg a week for 10-12 weeks.
    So week 1-12 test e or c 200mg Monday 200mg Thursday
    Start adex at week 2 or 3 at 0.5mg Monday and thurs
    Some are less likely to aromatase so 0.25mg on those 2 days may be enough.

    Another option is to use proviron 50-75mg a day or use Proviron with less adex.

    Or Nolva at 5-10mg a day enough with 400mg test a week.

    If u run test 12 weeks e or c pct can start around 14 days after last pin.

    Pct Nolva 40mg for 2 weeks and 100mg Clomid 2 weeks
    So that's first 2 weeks of pct
    Next 2 weeks pct reduce dose of both to half so 20mg nolva and 50mg Clomid those last 2 weeks for a total of 4 weeks pct.

    Hcg??? Not for pct!!!
    Hcg can be used on cycle not necessary for only 12 weeks but research shows it can be beneficial.
    In this case hcg can be used from week 1 to week 8.
    Dose could be on those same 2 days Monday and Thursday 250-500iu on each those 2 days.

    Hcg will send a false signal mimicking LH and cause suppression so stop it 3-4 weeks before pct.

    Proviron would be great used at 75 mg till day of pct and adex can be tapered at rate of ester of testosterone clearing once last pin has happened.

    I do not recomend a specific age but closer to 30 best.
    Important to maximize natural potential before doing a cycle.

    One thing I will add is IGFis a gear addition to pct.
    Dosing can be daily at 40-60mcg.
    Run for 4 weeks during PCT is fine!!!
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    Long ester testosterone in my opinion is an absolute must for first time steroid users. Its always a good idea to use one steroid at a time or add one steroid at a time to your subsequent steroid cycles.

    I know enatate and cypionate are what i always suggest for beginners. Where I differ from a lot of advice i see given to first time steroid cyclers is that I think it is ok to suggest a low dosage oral like dianabol for the first time cycle goers.

    The testosteron will not kick in for 3-4 weeks unless they frontload and i dont know many newbies doing this. So i have suggested 20mg to 30mg of dbol daily for the first 3 weeks of a first timers steroid cycle. This way they can still get an idea of what each feels like without it really overlapping and them not knowing which of the two could be the culprit if they experience any side effects. I wouldn't suggest any more then those two though for the first cycle.

    I am also on the fence when I read guys say to get the most out of your first steroid cycle and to stack at least 3 hormones first time around. I can certainly see the argument for this. I think Justin Compton whenever I see this argument made, and think maybe this is the way to go.

    great topic btw bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by big in vegas View Post
    Long ester testosterone in my opinion is an absolute must for first time steroid users. Its always a good idea to use one steroid at a time or add one steroid at a time to your subsequent steroid cycles.

    I know enatate and cypionate are what i always suggest for beginners. Where I differ from a lot of advice i see given to first time steroid cyclers is that I think it is ok to suggest a low dosage oral like dianabol for the first time cycle goers.

    The testosteron will not kick in for 3-4 weeks unless they frontload and i dont know many newbies doing this. So i have suggested 20mg to 30mg of dbol daily for the first 3 weeks of a first timers steroid cycle. This way they can still get an idea of what each feels like without it really overlapping and them not knowing which of the two could be the culprit if they experience any side effects. I wouldn't suggest any more then those two though for the first cycle.

    I am also on the fence when I read guys say to get the most out of your first steroid cycle and to stack at least 3 hormones first time around. I can certainly see the argument for this. I think Justin Compton whenever I see this argument made, and think maybe this is the way to go.

    great topic btw bro

    Agree on dbol!!
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    Why isn’t tbol or eq ever suggested as first cycle?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguels View Post
    Why isn’t tbol or eq ever suggested as first cycle?
    Testosterone in every cycle!!
    Some react so well to test it's all the ever need!!
    Eq aromatases at a good rate with good dose of it and testosterone!!
    Eq gives alot of users anxiety some cannot handle eq at all, sort of like tren but more anxiety than tension!!
    Tbol would be a disappointment!!!

    First cycle is like this, " is this stuff working are not"
    Dbol let's u know something working before test kicks in a few weeks later!!!
    Dbol tolerated well by most and gives sense of well being and if doses at 20-30mg first cycle doses, all will be well!!!

    Eq also is used for long runs and isn't really impressive enough to wait 9 weeks to see something....

    My opinion!!!
    And I have tbol laying around and I will prolly not ever touch!!!Anavar my choice on that end of results!!! Lol!!

    An oral that is toxic better give gains or be DHT molecule or androgenic.... aiding hardening...Or in my opinion not worth it in any cycle!! I know about the Germans!! Lol!

    That's my opinion. But also would be reasons for Tbol and Eq.
    We talking about first cycle now.. Lol


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