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    Default Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?

    Thinking 750 test 500 deca 500 eq run winstrol last 50 days at 100mg a day. Should I dare add tren or would masterone work better ? The goal is strength and size.

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    oh yea masterone would be every second day, or tren 100 ace 400mg a week.

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    have nolva and exemastane might get some letro. maybe throw in stanolone
     

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    just planning gonna hit the gym when I can get back to it for a while first
     

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    Going to bed give u better response in morning

    BUT tren I would say NOT right now!!
    Tren I say no to anyone above 14% bf!!
    Unless they 16% and athletic conditioning!!!

    Problem with tren is it will raise bp especially if body fat not already in check.

    And I have bro science on low test with tren is way to avoid sides!!! And only short ester of both!!!

    High test long ester and tren long ester No sir!!! This can really kill someone due to BP and heart condition developing!!! And it has, trust me!!! Almost felt like would kill me before until ester cleared and I had ran tren e 1-2× year for prolly 8 years...
    Since I only use tren ace.

    Masterone.... great for helping lower estro and keeping bloat off without crashing estro!! But it's only worth the money to most if they already under 10% for hardening!!!

    But I rather see someone that will cycle use high androgen binding steroids especially if fat loss the goal.
    But I myself don't aromatase much and test alone at 750 wk I have ripped up but I had to stay on long enough and had to push hard at gym.

    Diet, gym, and sleep recovery most important!!!
    PED's for pushing to level body can't keep up with repairing fast enough but not to do anything we can't do ourselves like lose fat!!
    Honestly if u do the work, get diet in check, get workouts in check, and get conditioning higher and higher u can get to 15% in 1 year time!!!
    Gear or test will help you to keep faster metabolism and not get catabolic.
    U see what happens when we cut food intake and push harder our thyroid will slow down!!
    Important to just stay with test to fight catabolism when trying to drop alot of fat!!

    So stay safe, get diet, workouts in order and once u do if u decide to use gear. Only testosterone until u get down at 15% bf!!

    To bed I go!!!



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    U mentioned deca too and eq...
    I would say only test and if u got the funds for mast sure but don't expect anything but androgen binding leaner gains less bloat and estro control.

    So i say test 600wk max and mast 600wk
    I can say mast and proviron increase fat loss due to androgen binding. Androgen binding plays a role in fat loss!!

    So not normally recommended but that is safer than the rest!!
    Eq no reason to aromatase more and it will with test high enough and eq high enough
    Deca the same plus bloat that u don't want!!

    U only want enough test really to stop catabolism and increase your recovery and metabolism with diet, and working out!!!



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    Give me your age, weight, height, activity level, what u do for living...???

    Time u have to commite to gym 5 days a week minimum??

    If u live where snow and hiking is year round??

    We wanna see how to turn u into a fat burning machine!! Firing on all cylinders!!!
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    Do u see Dr?? TRT? Age of course? Thyroid ever checked?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Give me your age, weight, height, activity level, what u do for living...???

    Time u have to commite to gym 5 days a week minimum??

    If u live where snow and hiking is year round??

    We wanna see how to turn u into a fat burning machine!! Firing on all cylinders!!!
    Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?Test,deca,eq,winny cycle...add tren or masterone ?

    Do u see Dr?? TRT? Age of course? Thyroid ever checked?

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    age 31 height 6 feet weight 300
    doctor says thyroid is good. no Trt. I only work 6 hours a week. I can get to the gym 5x a week as soon as I can get my back feeling better. I could also be more active . All I do is janitorial work. There is snow. I would like to go the gym everyday. Up until 8 months I was.

    Do you think I should bother with clen either/or t3 ?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    age 31 height 6 feet weight 300
    doctor says thyroid is good. no Trt. I only work 6 hours a week. I can get to the gym 5x a week as soon as I can get my back feeling better. I could also be more active . All I do is janitorial work. There is snow. I would like to go the gym everyday. Up until 8 months I was.

    Do you think I should bother with clen either/or t3 ?
    No!!
    Just stay more active.
    Hiking several miles a day, depending on terrain!!
    U need to get heart rate up and get anaerobic threshold better and longer!!
    U will do so little by little pushing a little further than week before!!

    Gym 5 days with weights and cardio
    I will make plan for u.

    If u choose to use anything Testosteone at 400-600mg wk all I would stick with if it were me. It will bring up metabolism with diet and exercise fighting catabolism!!!

    I would say a hgh stimulator would help too.
    Mk 677 possible low dose 12.5mg a day
    Or
    Ipamorrelin and Mod grf 1-29 stack
    And IGF 1 lr3 off and on at 40-60mcg a day!!
    Hgh dose of 3iu of legit stuff also helps with fat loss but shutdown at only 30 years old I don't like!!
    I rather see someone one get healthy and in ideal weight range even with a little help.

    Hgh or hgh stimulators help but we talking about a commitment for 6 months min.

    But these are only things that help with someone already in process.
    So these things all first
    1- let's get u diet or show me your diet
    2- workout plan to follow and up each week. Bad back!! Then proper form important and it's not how much weight but how u push to get fatigued
    3- activity level gotta increase. My phone tracks me with an app. I have active phone!
    I walk 12000 to 15000 steps on 5 days a week so u gotta come in because I myself am not losing weight or gaining and I am eating prolly 3500 cals a day.
    U gotta cut cals 500 at a time min Or increase activity level to burn more than u putting in!!!!

    4- ONLY ONCE U FOLLOWING ABOVE THEN WHEN YOUR BODY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH SORENESS AND LOSE THE MOTIVATION AND ENERGY TO DO IT AND RECOVER THEN U CAN DO 16 WEEKS TESTOSTERONE CYCLE

    5- if u choosing Testosterone already then u Gotta get other things in order!
    U wanna use hcg to keep batteries on low charge while one it and aid in recovery! Threads here on it!!

    Give me time to make u diet and workout plan with activity level up!!! Your back will feel better if u can drop to 200lbs for sure.
    Maybe 225 it's depends how much lean muscle u have under layer!

    So give me time please I will give u plan
    But u gotta follow it and u gotta do the work!! U gotta make yourself accountable!!
    U gotta go to sleep at night and tell yourself, buddy u are in for it!! I will do this crap no matter what and continue no matter what and changes will come cause something Gotta give and tell yourself u not giving up or stopping plain and simple!!
    U gotta get that mindset and know the more u follow it the better results will come!!!

    I know I typed a bunch of stuff but if u with me here then u gonna make major changes and all u Gotta do is do it!! No quitting no excuses, let's do this. Your goal is to follow plan and continue to push further.
    All u need is to follow plan, protien, food, sleep and motivation!! Only thing I say is testosterone if u choose anything and maybe an ai!!! And hcg!!
    But only saying that cause u mentioned using gear!! I know when someone decided it's there choice but u need to know these things may help if we doing work with metabolism and recovery but they won't take place of our role in doing the work.

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    I did 24 push ups in a row yesterday , today I did 5x12 incline then 1x12 flat. I will start going for uphill walks. They got a meal plan here for me but I can also buy my own food. breakfast 9am lunch 12 snack 3 oclock supper 5 oclock snack 7 oclock. I could try replacing snacks with protein bars and try to find out the food plan for you. I'll listen to you and not start the test until you think its time. Thankyou! On Thursday I'll have 300 dollars and the week after should be up to 400.

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    so far today bowl of shredded wheat with powdered milk for breakfast, canned chicken samwich with little bit of miracle whip, snack banana , for supper shepards pie, last snack either apple sauce or peanbutter sandwich on whole wheat bread.
     

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    Tomorrow I will make u a diet plan to follow.
    I myself use cheaper foods, have kids to feed too.

    Meats pork loin
    Chicken breast or baked whole chicken
    Fish
    And my biggest is a bunch of lean ground meat and ground turkey
    Sirloin steaks good too and lean.
    Eggs I use whole u need more white
    2% fat milk or skim non fat
    Mostly water and coconut water
    1-2 diet drinks per day
    Oat meal, brown rice, jazman rice
    Wheat bread, natural peanut or almond butter
    Chickapeas, fiber beans all types
    Salad mixed leaf, cherry tomatoes. Broccoli, sweet potatoes
    Pumpkin seeds, almonds, nuts, dried mangos, apracots, fruit mix etc
    Bowl of cereal at night or fat free yogurt.
    Look at these foods and budget I will give meal plan.
    No more pies and cakes. 5 meals a day nothing else if hungry drink 16oz water lots if fiber help too staying full!!
    U will need more protien and healthy fats less carbs.
    All still low fat or fat free choices as much as available
    These foods should be available right, over there??
    Crock pot, baked, grilled best choices for meats
    Just become a robot to it and do it.
    Workouts we gotta get u to 45 minutes time total asap wuth another 45 minute active raised heart rate per day on activity. Plus more so Another job would be a plus even walking a big dog works great!! Anything to keep u on the go. Metabolism needs this even a busy mind but staying on feet!!! Take stairs, walk places gotta keep u moving.
    All these things will burn cals and we gotta burn more than we put in.
    We Gotta give our body a Challage to have no choice but to adapt to make everything easier.


    I will make meals and times for u. Better to prep a bunch for week at time.
    I am preparing u for what u need and giving u thought on what needs to go down!!!
    Diet
    Activity level
    Workouts for muscle gain but starting with basics. Choosing harder things everyday instead of elevator.
    On down time put ear phones in and walk, hike, climb stairs. Everytime u will get stronger!!
    Only supps needed are protien right now and if u getting enough food not really but to replace some meals protien yes!!
    U will eat 5 times a day with 1 protien shake and maybe some added to oatmeal

    If your sex drive up, or have hardons regular at night and in morning wait on testosterone until u able to do what will be 45 minutes of training per time.
    Better to condition yourself first and even trying a sarm first maybe better than getting on gear.
    Save gear for once u can push more..

    Hope I am making since here but these are things we gotta do!!!

    I am not stopping u from anything but instead giving u what works and will work gear or not!!
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    330 am here. Today I go over for a drug test and rake some leafs up for some extra cash. I'll go to sobeys and look at prices. I'll get 5 pounds protein. Pretty sure I can get those foods. Oatmeal in morning, chicken and brown rice for lunch. snack at 3pm-protein shake. supper fiber beans some egg whites. Last meal of day probably some shredded wheat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    330 am here. Today I go over for a drug test and rake some leafs up for some extra cash. I'll go to sobeys and look at prices. I'll get 5 pounds protein. Pretty sure I can get those foods. Oatmeal in morning, chicken and brown rice for lunch. snack at 3pm-protein shake. supper fiber beans some egg whites. Last meal of day probably some shredded wheat.

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    I like the idea of steaks.
    I will make u plan as well.
    But important to eat proper amounts
    Example
    Better if u trained fasted.
    Get up before work get ready for gym before work.
    - Meal 1
    fasted drink only
    Only use 45 grams of whey protien mixed with water choose protien powder that is 25 grams to around 6 carbs!!
    Workout 45 minutes
    - Meal 2 post Workout
    In your case
    1 pk oatmeal 2 egg whites 1 whole egg
    1 wheat toast
    - Meal 3
    Chicken breast baked or grilled 8 oz
    1 bowl
    Salad lettuce mixed leaf, cherry tomatoes
    Fat free vinegarette ONLY 1-1/2 table spoon max
    Meal 4
    1 Fruit apple, orange, banana etc..
    1 Greek yogurt fat free
    Meal 5
    8 oz pork loin
    1 plain sweet potateo
    Broccoli 1 cup
    Meal 6
    High fiber cereal 1 serving size only
    Skim milk 1/2 cup

    Use water throughout day, 16 oz coconut water good too.
    Max of 1-2 diet drinks only 16 oz max better to do 8oz.
    Any tea should be sugar free diet
    But u gotta get 1.5 gal min water per day..

    That is example of meal for day with portions.

    I don't wanna follow my diet. Lol!!
    Won't even post it, I burn alot of calories and eat alot and not clean lately!!
    My stomach also cramping because of it, indigestion and gas!! But I will clean up my diet it's time..


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    Listen to what MM is telling you.
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    I'm keeping all this stuff in my notes. Fasted went for piss test when to quit smoking group. Haven't smoked in a while...Wont touch the alcohol either. Went for 15 minute walk. Get paid on Thursday going grocery shopping Tuesday of next week. The meal plan looks good Musclemechanic. Supper today is pork loin. I'm gonna drop the coffee soon for more water. I'm gonna be damn sure the food is available for diet. There is a gym 5 minutes away from here with more stuff in it then the gym that's 45 minutes away. little more expensive though.

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    so 6 meals a day..alright now that i'm getting this wrote down should be kicking gyms ass in no time.
     

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    Gym tomorrow should make it a back bicep workout as my push is still recovering. Then 20 minutes on cardio bike.
     

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    I was locked up for 8 years under capital health. I don't want to tell my life story but this going to be awesome.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I was locked up for 8 years under capital health. I don't want to tell my life story but this going to be awesome.
    Right on!! Then don't break law my friend.
    If u can get thru that u can do this with no problem!!

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    worked biceps and triceps...first time in the gym in 8 months. My old hammer curl endurance is still there 20sx20. I'm not worried about how strong I am or going heavy because I know I would just injure myself again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    worked biceps and triceps...first time in the gym in 8 months. My old hammer curl endurance is still there 20sx20. I'm not worried about how strong I am or going heavy because I know I would just injure myself again.
    Gonna make u routine soon.
    For now do traditional workouts 1 group a day 5 days week
    Rest 2-3 minutes between sets.
    U gotra build strength and work slow.
    Once u can complete those at 4 exercises and 4 sets per exercise per session min we can alter. Next will be more volume
    But basic training important for 90 days with added cardio.
    One step at a time. Build muscle and strength and burn fat.
    To do HIIT u Gotta build up some muscle first to have endurance in muscles and fiber twitch with heart used to pumping them.
    Hiit after that.
    Haven't forgot about u.
    But starting with basics necessary because body gotta adjust to high cortisol slowly and deal with it or else u will look like lance Armstrong. Not offense but we wanna be builders!!

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    I'll overlap my triceps and work chest tommorow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Gonna make u routine soon.
    For now do traditional workouts 1 group a day 5 days week
    Rest 2-3 minutes between sets.
    U gotra build strength and work slow.
    Once u can complete those at 4 exercises and 4 sets per exercise per session min we can alter. Next will be more volume
    But basic training important for 90 days with added cardio.
    One step at a time. Build muscle and strength and burn fat.
    To do HIIT u Gotta build up some muscle first to have endurance in muscles and fiber twitch with heart used to pumping them.
    Hiit after that.
    Haven't forgot about u.
    But starting with basics necessary because body gotta adjust to high cortisol slowly and deal with it or else u will look like lance Armstrong. Not offense but we wanna be builders!!

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    I got the chance to get my testosterone this weekend. If I can find the right store for gelatin caps to put nolva in I might get things in progress a lot quicker. 750mg frontload followed by 250 2x week.

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    I'd like to compete someday.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I got the chance to get my testosterone this weekend. If I can find the right store for gelatin caps to put nolva in I might get things in progress a lot quicker. 750mg frontload followed by 250 2x week.

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    I'd like to compete someday.
    To put Nolva in??
    If liquid put in shot size water in cup bottoms up!!
    I do that with liquid. Shake measure dose and drink in water or tea....
    If u got power make into solution or suspend...

    What not use Adex??
    Letro can be harsh...

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    Just worried about gyno
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Just worried about gyno
    Than use Nolva at 10mg a day whole run with adex around 0.5mg @2x week.
    This will keep gyno away!!!

    I would worry about low estro more than gyno
    So instead do as I stated.
    If u crash estro lipids will be bad too, and it will defeat the purpose of health!!

    I myself have never worried about gyno, instead I take precaution keep nolva and adex
    Aromasin in my option will only Lower estro and possibly keep gyno already developed from growing more....
    It's better to prevent and if symptoms come starve off gyno from estro period and hopefully kill It!

    If u worried about gyno don't frontload and use test at 400 week until u see if gyno a concern and in future u will know!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I got the chance to get my testosterone this weekend. If I can find the right store for gelatin caps to put nolva in I might get things in progress a lot quicker. 750mg frontload followed by 250 2x week.

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    I'd like to compete someday.
    Letro can be used to starve off a new gyno case if caught early with nolvadex of course
    But if u use Nolva 10mg a day even 5mg depending on test dose with 1mg adex total a week with like 500 wk Test gyno will not be a concern

    Do u already have gyno???

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    An estro test only way to know if u have high natty estro
    Most prolly u will aromatase as with higher body fat one normally does aromatase and has higher natty estro!!!

    Nolva thru cycle 10mg best way.
    U will block any gyno from starting and with low dose adex keep estro from elevating too high

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    I got a bit of gyno over the years...enough that I would hate to have it get any worse. Ok 400mg it is. What do you think of madol ?

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    An estro test only way to know if u have high natty estro
    Most prolly u will aromatase as with higher body fat one normally does aromatase and has higher natty estro!!!

    Nolva thru cycle 10mg best way.
    U will block any gyno from starting and with low dose adex keep estro from elevating too high

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I got a bit of gyno over the years...enough that I would hate to have it get any worse. Ok 400mg it is. What do you think of madol ?

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    sounds good.
    I think u should take 1 step at a time.


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    alright
     

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    Tuesdays getting closer...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    Tuesdays getting closer...
    Activity?? Time total??
    I need a tracker step counter watch or phone fitness phone/watch and app..
    I got 3 of my 5 workouts in so far this week.
    Tonight will give u one to follow.
    With Halloween and kids this week been about them so my time been short...

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    so far 20 minutes on a bike, a 15 minute walk up hill. 3 muscles worked in 2 days when I should of hit 3 on 3 days to target even more. I'm going to do about 40 minutes walking tomorrow at work. Yesterday was about 30 minutes. 75 minutes light cardio . workouts were maybe half hour long in the gym. 4 sets 4 excersises one muscle per day and try to get in 45 minutes. Thanks man...I wish I had a wife and kids.

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    I went for a quick walk today might of been 7 minutes.
     

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    budget for the above diet and c4/protein shouldn't be too too bad

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    Activity?? Time total??
    I need a tracker step counter watch or phone fitness phone/watch and app..
    I got 3 of my 5 workouts in so far this week.
    Tonight will give u one to follow.
    With Halloween and kids this week been about them so my time been short...



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    Theres people doing 15000 steps wondering why they don't lose any weight eating shit foods.
     

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    Anyway I'll pick things up a notch tomorrow.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    budget for the above diet and c4/protein shouldn't be too too bad

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    Theres people doing 15000 steps wondering why they don't lose any weight eating shit foods.
    I do that many steps just with my job and daily activity even off.
    10000-16000 steps a day

    Didn't workout today....
    But was very busy for a bit....

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    That post has me motivated to do a jog tomorrow. Or at least a couple sprints.

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    I was looking at bulk protein deals. You guys in America are lucky 170 for 20kg whey in America...over 300 for the same here.
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    alright...small frontload.cc and half in right quad. 200mg tomorrow and then Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    That post has me motivated to do a jog tomorrow. Or at least a couple sprints.

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    I was looking at bulk protein deals. You guys in America are lucky 170 for 20kg whey in America...over 300 for the same here.
    Really these days I mostly only eat food.
    I don't use protien powders at all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    alright...small frontload.cc and half in right quad. 200mg tomorrow and then Thursday.

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    cc and half was Friday.
    I am just wondering...
    If u had gyno before and worried about it why would u frontload???
    And what about estro control and or nolva.??
    What u have to combat that?
    If i hadn't cycled in a while and had gyno history I would start with 200-250 test c or e every Monday and Thursday and let levels build slowly and my body adjust slowly.
    Last thing we want is spikes and valleys, this is estro, where estro becomes unbalanced
    Every time our Testosteone goes up our estro will too.. when test goes back down estro will be at higher ratio till metabolized...or test goes back up again.

    Stable dose necessary and levels don't get stable with test e or c for at least 4 weeks... downloading will not really do that for u. It can cause a spike...


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    exemestane on hand

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    frontloaded it hoping it may kick in quicker

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    just Monday and Thursday for sure
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    exemestane on hand

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    frontloaded it hoping it may kick in quicker

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    just Monday and Thursday for sure
    Right on!
    Ever considered prop Monday Wednesday Friday to kick in quicker? Or instead said use prop for 1 month while longer ester builds up!
    I use very little long esters at all, mostly short esters...
    Don't know laws in your country but Epistane a good oral that has anti-estro affect... and makes me gain too...
    Thought if it because I found bottle or a supp shop that had them here yesterday..
    Lol! And it's been Banned since 2015..

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    I used prop about 10 years ago at the start of a test e cycle, it works good. About 6 months back I was looking into epistane. I read of gains up to 12 pounds.
     

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    I may try it some time. Argued a bit with the staff here about food. They just expect me to prepare it on my own and clean up after myself. So a guy is gonna talk to management for me and see what I can do. With out good nutrition....I'd be pissed.

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    Might even get a job at a fast food place just to get out of the situation I'm in.

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    Rent around here can be expensive. If I had a woman things would be a lot easier...some might say harder...we'll see.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I used prop about 10 years ago at the start of a test e cycle, it works good. About 6 months back I was looking into epistane. I read of gains up to 12 pounds.
    Epistane gains.... mostly hardening with AI affect. At higher dose maybe 6lbs but recomp of body makes it a win win...


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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    I may try it some time. Argued a bit with the staff here about food. They just expect me to prepare it on my own and clean up after myself. So a guy is gonna talk to management for me and see what I can do. With out good nutrition....I'd be pissed.

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    Might even get a job at a fast food place just to get out of the situation I'm in.

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    Rent around here can be expensive. If I had a woman things would be a lot easier...some might say harder...we'll see.
    I Gotta work and provide for my woman for meals and pay for them too. Plus clean up after myself...
    She sees about kids while I am at work so she has job too and cooks and cleans but no matter how much I give it's often not enough... women are something.... we all have our moments!!!

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    sex drive and self confidence creeping up on me already.
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    Thanks for the diet muscle mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatsup View Post
    sex drive and self confidence creeping up on me already.
    I beat off on way to work and home then bang lady when it's kicking!!! Lmao!!!
    CTS more than hgh!!!

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