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    Default Type 1 diabetes and IGF usage

    Hey everyone. You guys rock. I rarely post but i have been lurking the boards for over a year.

    anyways, i have type 1 diabetes so i naturally produce no insulin and i inject myself two times a day. (humalog and humilin N)
    i would like to get some IGF because it looks like a great product and the muslce building and fat loss at the same time is very inticing.

    my questions are, will having diabetes affect my usage of IGF? negatively? is there anyway of me taking insulin be used to my benefit? i read it makes u more sensitive to insulin so does that mean i should take less insulin?

    pin sizing question. i use insulin pins for injecting insulin (duh). it is 1/2cc and 1/2inch long. will using this pin size work? and how many units is 1ml on a insulin pin? my point is, how many unit(s) should i draw up for 20mcgs.

    i'm real sorry if there questions have been answered already (i have a feeling they have been) but i just want to be sure and not taking bits and pieces to come to conclusions because i am afraid i will make a mistake.

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    1. The IGF-1LR will sensitize your insulin receptors. Therefore, you will probably need to use less insulin than you do now. How much less, I don't know.

    2. Use the same slin pin you already have.

    3. 1ml=100units. IGF at 1mg/ml would therefore mean each tick is 10mcg's. (I just realized I should add that I'm referring to a .3ml/.5ml syringe, or 20mcg's per tick on a 1ml/100iu syringe.)

    Regarding #1; as you're a diabetic, I encourage you to go onto a medical bulletin board and discuss this there. You could try asking your doctor but he probably wouldn't know about IGF-1LR. I think in your situation, I would be extremely cautious or just pass on the IGF all together.

    In thinking about it, I'd just stick to AAS, why take that risk when you don't have to? Too many people forget that proper training, diet and rest alone can build a very good physique. Add in AAS and most should be able to build a great physique. Those that can't and are always searching for a magic potion are usually those who have never really learned how to train and diet properly. And are using the drugs as a crutch.

    Good luck,

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    great answer MaxRep
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    I would say as long as you know your body well then go ahead. IGF1 will make you a bit more insulin sensitive but I don't think it would affect a diabetic much worse than a non-diabetic. just have some carbs with you in case you're starting to feel hypoglacemic.
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    Originally posted by MaxRep
    1. The IGF-1LR will sensitize your insulin receptors. Therefore, you will probably need to use less insulin than you do now. How much less, I don't know.

    2. Use the same slin pin you already have.

    3. 1ml=100units. IGF at 1mg/ml would therefore mean each tick is 10mcg's. (I just realized I should add that I'm referring to a .3ml/.5ml syringe, or 20mcg's per tick on a 1ml/100iu syringe.)

    Regarding #1; as you're a diabetic, I encourage you to go onto a medical bulletin board and discuss this there. You could try asking your doctor but he probably wouldn't know about IGF-1LR. I think in your situation, I would be extremely cautious or just pass on the IGF all together.

    In thinking about it, I'd just stick to AAS, why take that risk when you don't have to? Too many people forget that proper training, diet and rest alone can build a very good physique. Add in AAS and most should be able to build a great physique. Those that can't and are always searching for a magic potion are usually those who have never really learned how to train and diet properly. And are using the drugs as a crutch.

    Good luck,

    MaxRep
    thanks alot for the good info. it makes alot of sense. i have already talked to my doc about IGF and he had no idea what it was or how it worked. he was obviously against it, not for the fact of what it does but simply for the fact that he wasnt familiar with it.
    i cant really see any negative affects with me taking IGF and having diabetes.
    u are completely right that people use AAS and similar products to compensate for lacking parts in their bb'ing life. i would never consider the use of AAS or IGF without having everything else perfect. i have been in the game for a long time and i bust my ass EVERY day.

    a question about the pins though. u refer the "ticks" on the pins as 10mcgs per tick on a .3/.5 ml pin. i would assume that is .3/.5cc. now on the 1ml(cc) pin it is 20mcgs per tick.

    so how many ticks are on each pin? see the insulin pins i use are .5cc and they have 50 ticks and my old 1cc pin has 100 ticks. obviously each tick is the same volume but in ur explanation the pins u refer to don't have the same volume per tick. can u please clearify this for me bro?

    thanks man.
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    Originally posted by Beachbum1546

    a question about the pins though. u refer the "ticks" on the pins as 10mcgs per tick on a .3/.5 ml pin. i would assume that is .3/.5cc. now on the 1ml(cc) pin it is 20mcgs per tick.

    so how many ticks are on each pin? see the insulin pins i use are .5cc and they have 50 ticks and my old 1cc pin has 100 ticks. obviously each tick is the same volume but in ur explanation the pins u refer to don't have the same volume per tick. can u please clearify this for me bro?

    thanks man.
    n/m bro i did some resaerch and found out that some pins that are 1cc have a tick every second unit.
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    Originally posted by Beachbum1546
    n/m bro i did some resaerch and found out that some pins that are 1cc have a tick every second unit.
    I'm confused with this. My insulin pins 1cc and contain 100 ticks/unit (with a major tick every 10 units). Assuming no BA is added to the IGF, how many mcg am I getting per unit/tick?

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    Dont worry its easy to figure out i have both 1cc and .5cc. The 1cc obvoiusly has 100 ticks (units). Basically most 1cc pins the numbers labelled on the pin go up 10 units at a time i.e 10, 20, 30 etc. Simply count how many ticks there are from 0-10 units, if there are 5 ticks from 0-10 then each tick on the pin is 20mcg, however if there are 10 ticks from 0-10 then each tick is 10 mcg. This applies to the .5cc pins is well. So as you can see try and get the .5cc as they always go up 10mcg at a time with 10 ticks from 0-10 making it easier to measure.
     

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    Originally posted by usman
    Dont worry its easy to figure out i have both 1cc and .5cc. The 1cc obvoiusly has 100 ticks (units). Basically most 1cc pins the numbers labelled on the pin go up 10 units at a time i.e 10, 20, 30 etc. Simply count how many ticks there are from 0-10 units, if there are 5 ticks from 0-10 then each tick on the pin is 20mcg, however if there are 10 ticks from 0-10 then each tick is 10 mcg. This applies to the .5cc pins is well. So as you can see try and get the .5cc as they always go up 10mcg at a time with 10 ticks from 0-10 making it easier to measure.
    yeah exactly. the difference in my 1cc pins are that there is a tick every second unit. so there is only 50 ticks and 10 major ticks. each tick is 20mcgs.
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    Thanks guys. That really helps.
     

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