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    IGF / Prohormone Cycle Log

    Hey guys, I am new to the forum but I've been spent hours researching on this site. It's one of my favorites!

    This will be my first cycle ever and I know it's mostly prohormones/designers, but I thought I'd share it since I'm also using IGF.

    I actually started on 10/10/14, so I'm a few of days in. (Already noticing some really nice sides)


    12-16 Week Bulk Cycle (Revised 10/21/14)

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    HCG: On hand just in case.

    I also have 3 bottles of Syntherol. I have extremely small legs, and I hate to wear shorts because of it.
    Also gonna use a little in my Biceps.
    I will be going VERY slow with this.

    - On a side note; for my first dose of MC IGF1-Lr3, I applied what I thought was 2iu into each deltoid. They instantly swole and I worked them just a little to get a pump. It was INSANE!! Later, I realized that I applied 200iu to each Delt! HaHa!
    Never used a Slin Pin before so it was a rookie mistake. Just glad nothing bad happened.

    Training

    I will be using Jim Stopanni's "Shortcut to Size" training program.

    DIET/SUPPLEMENTS

    I am shooting for 3K-3500 Calories a day, getting 200g+ protein/day.
    My diet is very clean, but I know I need to eat more.
    Not much red meat. Mostly chicken, pork, and fish.
    Oats, Rice, Sweet potatoes, Baked Potatoes
    Lots of healthy fats.
    10-12 Egg Whites ED
    Roughly .5 gallon Milk ED
    Yogurt, Granola, Flax Seed


    Pre-Workout

    Liver Support Matrix

    Aegis (TUDCA)

    Liquid Multivitamin

    Finasteride


    Post Workout (PWO)

    JYM Active Matrix

    I'll also be adding some Dextrose to create an insulin spike.

    ON Weight Gainer - 76gm protein including Milk

    A large (clean) meal an hour later. As much as I can eat!


    Before Bed

    1/2 Cup (6 egg whites) of International Egg whites along with some SynthaPURE (30gm protein).


    STATS

    I am 35 years old, 5'9 176lbs. Bodyfat not measured, but I have visable abs.
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    UPDATE: DAY 4

    Wanted to add that I have been on Test for HRT for almost 9 months. I started with Testim Gel the first 3 months, but have been on 200mg/Cyp for the rest. My levels are usually around 650-700.

    I have enough Testim for 5 Weeks, but I don't really think it does much. I may incorporate it into my PCT. Any Advice?

    Today was Chest.


    Reps / Sets
    Bench Press 8 / 4
    Incline Dumbell 10 / 3
    Dumbell Flys 8 / 4
    Decline Dumbell 8 / 3
    Pec Deck 8 / 3

    Standing Calf Raises 4 Sets to Failure

    Let me know how this looks. It was a good workout, but not my best for sure. I know i still had a lot in me, but I feel a little lethargic this morning. Worked hard enough that my shirt was soaked though...

    Had my pwo supps/shake.
    Getting ready to cook 4 egg whites with two yolks, and some chicken sausage.
    I usually eat something every 2-3 hours. Not gonna bore you with that.
    I've got a tenderloin in the oven cooking low and slow for dinner. I'll have some stewed squash and onions, and a sweet potato with it. That's gonna be good!
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    Just a little info on using the slin pin for your IGF. If its a half cc pin then each little line is 20 mcg. If its a 1cc pin, then each little line is 10 mcg. IGF is measures in mcg not iu. Just for your info....

    Keep us updated. Not very knowledgeable on Sytherol, but your Cyp dose may or may not be quite what your looking for. Although, some people grow really well on lower doses of Test. If it were me, I'd run the Cyp at 400mg per week for a minimum of 10 weeks. Your best gains will come from your very first cycle, so I'd capitalize on it brother. But, ultimately its your decision. Sounds like you've done your homework though. The Cyp will be kicking in good around week 4-5. That's why I say run it on out to at least 10 weeks so you can get some good gains from this cycle. Good idea adding in the Adex cause that Dbol will run your Estrogen up and the Adex will help combat those sides...

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    As a side note.... I screwed up my first IGF application. Thought I was using 20 mcg in each quad, but I actually put 200 in each cause I didn't know how to read a slin pin either. So, that 400mcgs felt amazing to say the least. I had more energy than I'd had for years and I know I ate 2500 calories inside of 2-3 hours!!! LMAO!!!!
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    Thanks man!

    I have enough Test to run 400mg/Week for 10 weeks (I actually have more than that), so I may just go ahead and do that. I've been taking 200mg/Week for almost 6 months now for HRT, and I really haven't noticed any benefits from it.

    The very first week I started the injections, my libido was way up. It's always high anyway, but it just got crazy. Lol!

    I wish I could eat like that. I have a hard time with it because I just never have an appetite, and when I do eat, I get full fast. I am getting between 3K-3500 cal/Day right now, but it is so hard for me. I thought about trying some GHRP2 to help with that, but I'm already taking so much stuff.

    Also, I have the IGF1 dosage figured out now. I found a reconstitution calculator, and that helped me to understand. I have a bottle from another source that I added 3ml AA to (I have 5 bottles-4 of them MC). I actually took 50mcg of it today, and noticed nothing at all from it. I'm gonna do the same dose tomorrow with the MC IGF and see if there is a difference. I'll go back down to 20mcg/Daily, but I wanted to use a higher dose to try and see if it is real.

    So far, I have dropped about $1500 on everything, so I really hope I get a good return on my investment!
     

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    It's a little late now, but I'm unfamiliar with those prohormones. Next time hit us up first. There are board sponsors that carry M1T (very powerful) and Super DMZ 2.0 is about the best prohormone out now by far. If you can return the others do it. I'd probably stick with 40mcg total per day of IGF.
    Biggest thing is to eat. No excuses. Make 2 lbs a chicken a night and add 1/2 cup brown rice and split this over 3 meals maybe four. Then with your post workout shake and meal at dinner tike you'll be primed to go.
    8 hours of sleep.
    No drinking
    Get your protein mostly from food. Get good fats from olive oils and nuts.

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    Dude, I've used Dianodrol it's dbol w/ oxime attachment it is dry @ least for me... Very similar to Tbol IMO. Trest Ace is a beast... Used the oral version blew me up in conjunct w/ Test P. I have the oil version now I'll compare. Nikon looks good bro, best of luck on ur cycle. Well made log too. I'm in 4 the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Thanks man!

    I have enough Test to run 400mg/Week for 10 weeks (I actually have more than that), so I may just go ahead and do that. I've been taking 200mg/Week for almost 6 months now for HRT, and I really haven't noticed any benefits from it.

    The very first week I started the injections, my libido was way up. It's always high anyway, but it just got crazy. Lol!

    I wish I could eat like that. I have a hard time with it because I just never have an appetite, and when I do eat, I get full fast. I am getting between 3K-3500 cal/Day right now, but it is so hard for me. I thought about trying some GHRP2 to help with that, but I'm already taking so much stuff.

    Also, I have the IGF1 dosage figured out now. I found a reconstitution calculator, and that helped me to understand. I have a bottle from another source that I added 3ml AA to (I have 5 bottles-4 of them MC). I actually took 50mcg of it today, and noticed nothing at all from it. I'm gonna do the same dose tomorrow with the MC IGF and see if there is a difference. I'll go back down to 20mcg/Daily, but I wanted to use a higher dose to try and see if it is real.

    So far, I have dropped about $1500 on everything, so I really hope I get a good return on my investment!
    Awesome Brother!! I'd definitely up the Test since you've been on the TRT dose for 6 months. Must have missed that in your first post( old age). Anyway, 400 to 600mg per week split into 2 separate shots (like Mon and Thurs) will keep more stable blood levels which will help deter estrogen sides as well.

    I'm so right there with ya on the appetite bro. I cant hardly eat from the time I wake up at 5am til 10am, so I'm missing an important window. I am incorporating GHRP-6 and GHRP-2 by the end of the week. I'm gonna start a log on it since its my first time using these peptides. Only peptide I've used is MC IGF and I have to say, I was and am still impressed. I too started at 40mcg split bilaterally pre wo ed. I personally love the 100-120mcg dose range! Put 60mcg in each bicep 30 min before your arm workout. You will not believe the pump brother.

    Keep us updated and remember...... Eat, Train, Eat, Rest and REPEAT!!!

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    Thanks for the dieting tip. I am doing good with my diet, it's just hard for me to eat that much, but I still do it.
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    Had a great shoulder workout today. I'm still nice and pumped. I am 5 days in, and have not gained 1 pound. That concerns me. I was hoping it would be working by now.

    I took my IGF shots in my calves this morning. I was really scared, because I heard that it was painful. It was Great!! I can't wait to take my shots there tomorrow also. Lol! I had no pip whatsoever.

    Good luck with the GHRP. I would suggest starting with 2 before the 6 since you haven't taken it before. That's what I'm going to do. I've heard that they are both great, but GHRP2 will give you more GH release, and the GHRP6 can make your hunger go out of control! I guess it depends on how many calories you are going for.

    Syntherol should be here today or tomorrow. I'll keep you posted on that.

    Thanks!
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    Thanks man! This is my first log ever. I just hope it helps someone out somehow.
    I've read nothing but good things about the Ddrol. I have noticed a bit of the euphoria that people mention. It's very light, but noticeable. I think the 6 week cycle is gonna be nice!
    Glad you got some. I'm really pumped about it. Everyone say's that it is SuperTest! From what I've read, it is better than Testosterone. Did you the the Ace or Deca? I wanted the Deca, but it is never in stock. I'm gonna grab a couple bottles as soon as it's available.

    Thanks again for the encouragement!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Trust me, I have done my research on the prohormones. I am taking the best stuff you can get. Search Trestolone Acetate and you will see what I mean. I am injecting 25mg every day. That's a reasonable starting dose, experienced users typically end up around 50mg/Day.

    Dianodol converts to Dbol. New, but also Very good.

    Thanks for the dieting tip. I am doing good with my diet, it's just hard for me to eat that much, but I still do it.
    Could you PM me the site that sells those? My brother is more of a PH guy than me and he hasn't heard of those so I'd like to look into them. Have you tried DMZ 2.0 or Boladrol? How would you compare them?? I'm interested. Elaborate on what they convert to or do both have effects similiar to Tbol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Had a great shoulder workout today. I'm still nice and pumped. I am 5 days in, and have not gained 1 pound. That concerns me. I was hoping it would be working by now.

    I decided to increase my Test to 400mg/Week. I have plenty if I need to go higher than that. Lol! I just wanted to start low, and be careful.

    I took my IGF shots in my calves this morning. I was really scared, because I heard that it was painful. It was Great!! I can't wait to take my shots there tomorrow also. Lol! I had no pip whatsoever.

    Good luck with the GHRP. I would suggest starting with 2 before the 6 since you haven't taken it before. That's what I'm going to do. I've heard that they are both great, but GHRP2 will give you more GH release, and the GHRP6 can make your hunger go out of control! I guess it depends on how many calories you are going for.

    Syntherol should be here today or tomorrow. I'll keep you posted on that.

    Thanks!
    MC IGF in the calves is a wonderful thing if you're like me. My confidence soars when those things are pumped up! I'm excited to follow your log, looks like good shit and we can compare notes on the Syntherol. About how long did it take your order to arrive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    MC IGF in the calves is a wonderful thing if you're like me. My confidence soars when those things are pumped up! I'm excited to follow your log, looks like good shit and we can compare notes on the Syntherol. About how long did it take your order to arrive?

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    Placed the order on 10/04/14. Just received 3 Bottles, and some SynthePure. So, 10 Days. They are having a sale right now. If you spend $350, you can choose ANY item for free.
    I couldn't wait, so I went ahead and injected .5ml into each bicep. I am not going to do the 3" in a month regimen. Just want to work on the peak a bit for now.

    I have heard of both of those compounds. They are both supposed to be great. I know a lot of people really like the gains from DMZ, but I have also read that it causes severe heartburn with most who use it. It has been suggested that is due to Liver toxicity. You also mentioned M1T. I plan on giving it a shot in the near future.

    Unfortunately, I do not have access to AAS other than HRT, so I have to work with what I can find.

    Trestolone is the God of PH's. Anyone who has taken it will tell you so. I have spent countless hours planning all of this. I will send you more info on the company this comes from. It is said that all of their raw's are tested by Patrick Arnold (The Godfather of Prohormones, and the creator of 1AD among others).


    Here is a good Faq for Trestolone:

    Trestolone Acetate (MENT) FAQ
    Trestolone (Methylnortestosterone) Acetate FAQ
    (17 beta-hydroxy-7 alpha-methylestr-4-en-3-one acetate)

    What sides can I expect?
    Nearly every user reports an almost immediate increase in core body temperature. Some users also report significant water retention in the presence of excess carbs, with substantial leaning out with moderate carbs. Trestolone does not bind to SHBG. From my and others’ experiences, this is the extent of the negative sides.

    How powerful is Trestolone Acetate (MENT) compared to Mentabolan (Mentdione), its precursor?
    There are no studies demonstrating bioavailability of these, but there are studies demonstrating their anabolic potency orally. Trestolone is significantly stronger than mentdione in what matters the most. This will only be magnified intramuscularly.

    How powerful is Trestolone Acetate compared to Trenbolone?
    Trestolone is hands down the stronger compound, with scientific evidence and anecdotal support. Trestolone has a 540:840 ratio when compared to methyltestosterone, meaning it is at least 5 times as androgenic and at least 8 times as anabolic. Intramuscularly, it is 2300:650. Trenbolone’s is 500:500. You do the math!

    Does Trestolone carry the same risk of sides as Trenbolone?
    No. There are no night sweats. No insomnia. No inappropriate aggression. No loss of libido (just an increase!). No overwhelming acne. No anxiety. It really does feel like Test plus Tren minus the negative sides, and even with a little more of a kick at a lower dose.

    Does Trestolone Acetate aromatize?
    Yes, very much so. A strong AI (i.e., aromasin, anastrozole) is a must while running Trestolone. By abiding by this protocol, you will reap the incomparable benefits of Trestolone without the risk of sides.

    How would you describe Trestolone Acetate to an experienced AAS user?
    Trestolone Acetate can best be described as comparable to a combination of Testosterone and Trenbolone, although it is chemically an offshoot of Norandren (Deca). I estimate that a moderate dose of Trestolone Acetate will yield slightly better results than a combination of Test/Tren/Mast.

    What is an effective dosage protocol?
    It has been estimated that even 50mg EOD will yield significant results. I’ve run it as high as 100mg ED, and at 75mg ED, but have resolved to run it at 50mg ED. That’s more than enough for Trestolone to work its magic!

    What is the “kick in time” for Trestolone Acetate?
    You will literally observe noticeable results within the very first few days as you start to become leaner more quickly than with any other compound known to man. It’s definitely working at full speed in less than a week.

    What is the PIP like for Trestolone?
    PIP has more to do with the preparation than the compound. If you prepare Trestolone correctly, there is ZERO PIP and it can even go smoothly through a slin pin.

    How long should I run Trestolone Acetate?
    Even a 2 week cycle will have significant results. 4-6 weeks is ideal if you want to maximize your progress without having to ramp up the dose. One of the main reasons guys don’t run Trenbolone longer than 6 weeks is because they can’t tolerate the sides. With Trestolone, those sides don’t exist. So longer runs should be feasible.

    Can Trestolone be used as a Test base?
    Yes. But for me personally, there is no substitute for Test as a “Test base,” even with Trestolone. However, if you are looking for the benefits that Test provides, you will be pleasantly surprised how Trestolone outperforms it. Still, I would not run Trestolone without at least a mild dose of Test – this should be no different for taking it orally. If you’re comparing Trestolone to something like Stano that people refer to as a “Test base,” you’re comparing Godzilla to a yard lizard.

    What is the difference between Trestolone orally, transdermally and intramuscularly?
    Intramuscularly is almost always going to produce magnified results over orally and transdermally. Transdermally is the next step down, with orally being the least effective delivery method. Reports about IM Trestolone are nothing short of amazing. For oral Trestolone, they are not any better than for other available, less expensive products.

    Thanks for following!
     

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    So the Trestolone is 50mg/ml so you're doing a shot ED and going through a bottle every 40 days. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    So the Trestolone is 50mg/ml so you're doing a shot ED and going through a bottle every 40 days. Is that right?

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    Almost. I am taking .5ml/day for a total of 25mg/day for 80 days (1bottle) unless I feel like I need to go up to 50mg/day. I do have more though.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Almost. I am taking .5ml/day for a total of 25mg/day for 80 days (1bottle) unless I feel like I need to go up to 50mg/day. I do have more though.
    I didn't see 40ml bottles. I'll look again. My brother is looking for a new PH to try

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I didn't see 40ml bottles. I'll look again. My brother is looking for a new PH to try

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    They are 20ml. They also come in 10ml, but I am buying the 20ml bottles.

    I am taking 1/2ml a day.
    1000ml per bottle 50mg/ml 1000mg per bottle 1000/25=40

    I have 2 bottles, so that is 80 days. I know I told you wrong. Sorry about that.

    I am definitely going to order more, but I am waiting on the Deca to come in. If it is not back in stock in a couple of weeks, I'll get more Ace.
    I'm really concerned about the ban, so I'm stocking up on a lot of stuff!

    Sorry for the confusion.

    Saw your pic man. Looking good. Jealous!
     

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    I'm very interested in your results. My little brother just bought two bottles.

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    Cool. He get the 20ml bottles?
     

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    I'm loving the feel of the Syntherol in my Biceps! It feels like they have been super pumped all day.

    I have been massaging them all day to make sure I do not get any lumps.

    There was definitely a noticable difference even from .5ml. I will be taking it very slow on this stuff.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Cool. He get the 20ml bottles?
    Yes. 2 of them

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    Sweet. I take it you guys looked into it. Technically, I do not think it is a ProHormone. It's a "Designer Steroid"

    I imagine it's gonna be difficult to get after the ban though. That's why I am stocking up.
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    damn Nikon, this is one great and detailed log! I love it brutha! really looking forward to following your progress! and once again welcome to MC
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    damn Nikon, this is one great and detailed log! I love it brutha! really looking forward to following your progress! and once again welcome to MC
    Thanks presser!

    Is there anything from AAA you think I should add? I was considering adding some GHRP2 for appetite, or should I save that for PCT to help maintain gains (that's the plan)?
     

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    Some say GHRP-2 doesn't have the appetite benefit that GHRP-6 does for them. Seems to be specific to who is using it from my research. I'm about to give both a try so I'll let cha know...

    Love the log BTW
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin311 View Post
    Some say GHRP-2 doesn't have the appetite benefit that GHRP-6 does for them. Seems to be specific to who is using it from my research. I'm about to give both a try so I'll let cha know...

    Love the log BTW
    Tanks Austin, I have read that also. I have also read to start with the GHRP2 though, because the GHRP6 can make it go out of control. I'm already fat, so I'm a little concerned about that. I'm doing really well with my diet though. (I think)

    It seems like I should have gained something by now. I have actually Lost 1lb.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Tanks Austin, I have read that also. I have also read to start with the GHRP2 though, because the GHRP6 can make it go out of control. I'm already fat, so I'm a little concerned about that. I'm doing really well with my diet though. (I think)

    It seems like I should have gained something by now. I have actually Lost 1lb.
    I'm starting with GHRP-6 because I've been stuck at the same weight forever due to my inability to reach my calorie requirements. I'm gonna start a detailed log on it so you'll have to follow along. I'm thinking of doing GHRP-6 first thing in the am and using GHRP-2 before bed starting at 100-150mcg each. I'm going to start out with just the GHRP's first before trying to add in any GHRH for synergy. I'm a firm believer in knowing how each compound feels/reacts in my body before adding multiple compounds of AAS, so I am incorporating that mentality into my Peptide use as well. Peps should be here Thursday. Hoping to start Friday... Cant wait.....

    I'm currently 3-4 weeks into a nice Blast. Test Sustanon 300mg EOD, NPP 150mg EOD, Masteron Prop 50mg EOD, Proviron 50mg ED and Adex 0.5mg EOD.
    I'm a Blast and Cruise guy. Blast around 16-20 weeks with a short 4-6 week cruise of 250mg Test a week.

    Hoping these GHRP's help bring me out of the rut I'm stuck in weight wise. Been stuck at 175-180 lbs for months on end... Not eating enough Brother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin311 View Post
    I'm starting with GHRP-6 because I've been stuck at the same weight forever due to my inability to reach my calorie requirements. I'm gonna start a detailed log on it so you'll have to follow along. I'm thinking of doing GHRP-6 first thing in the am and using GHRP-2 before bed starting at 100-150mcg each. I'm going to start out with just the GHRP's first before trying to add in any GHRH for synergy. I'm a firm believer in knowing how each compound feels/reacts in my body before adding multiple compounds of AAS, so I am incorporating that mentality into my Peptide use as well. Peps should be here Thursday. Hoping to start Friday... Cant wait.....

    I'm currently 3-4 weeks into a nice Blast. Test Sustanon 300mg EOD, NPP 150mg EOD, Masteron Prop 50mg EOD, Proviron 50mg ED and Adex 0.5mg EOD.
    I'm a Blast and Cruise guy. Blast around 16-20 weeks with a short 4-6 week cruise of 250mg Test a week.

    Hoping these GHRP's help bring me out of the rut I'm stuck in weight wise. Been stuck at 175-180 lbs for months on end... Not eating enough Brother...

    That sounds great! I will be following your progress.

    Can you tell me, is there anything that you think I should change? I have tried to do my homework, but I have had no help at all planning this.

    Thanks so much for your help!
     

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    UPDATE: Day 6

    Worked Arms today. It was a great workout. I can always tell, because I am soaked from head to toe.

    Sets/Reps
    Dumbell Bicep Curls 4/10
    Cable curls 5/10
    Preacher Curls 4/8
    Hammer Curls 3/10
    Reverse Curls 4/8
    Tricep Pushdowns 6/10
    Skull Crushers 5/8
    35 Pushups

    Standing Calf Raises 5/To Completion

    I know I should have done more for my triceps, but my Delts were burning the entire workout, and it was killing me! I had a really hard time making my shake because of the intense burn.

    I split my Trest and IGF into each Tricep today. It hurt like %#$@! I'm not sure I want to do that again. It's fine now though, and I have an Amazing pump throughout my arms. (Maybe I will...)
    I'm also not sure if it okay to mix those or not. I've read both opinions from others. Please let me know what you think.

    So, I had my PWO shake, and I'm now having my Post JYM (BCAA's, Creatine HCL, Glutamine). The watermelon is great!
    I added 12g of Dextrose for an insulin spike. Like I said, I have insulin, but I'm scared of that stuff, especially with the IGF.

    Getting ready to go cook some eggs/chicken sausage. Yum!

    P.S. My biceps feel like they are going to split open! Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    That sounds great! I will be following your progress.

    Can you tell me, is there anything that you think I should change? I have tried to do my homework, but I have had no help at all planning this.

    Thanks so much for your help!
    Keep Test at least 400mg/week split into 2 doses for at minimum 10 weeks. Better for 12 weeks. I'd up my MC IGF dose to 40mcg per side with a total of 80mcg daily pre workout and apply it in the muscle your training that day. Like if its arm day, Apply to the bicep peak. Everything else looks good to me buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin311 View Post
    Keep Test at least 400mg/week split into 2 doses for at minimum 10 weeks. Better for 12 weeks. I'd up my MC IGF dose to 40mcg per side with a total of 80mcg daily pre workout and apply it in the muscle your training that day. Like if its arm day, Apply to the bicep peak. Everything else looks good to me buddy.

    Just Eat, Train, Eat and Rest CONSISTENTLY!!!!
    Thanks man. I will do that! I like the idea of running for 12 weeks. So, does that mean I would start my HCG @ Week 15? I read you are supposed to give the Cyp time to drop a bit.

    I will have enough Trest for 80 Days @ 25mg/Day. I'm ordering more, but I am hoping to be able to save it for my next cycle.
    I did my first Tricep injections today. I did not like that. I think it was because I couldn't aspirate. It doesn't feel safe. I tried but just ended up pushing the pin around. It was not fun...

    Thanks for your help.
     

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    UPDATE:

    Made a couple changes:
    Bumped Test to 400mg/Week for 12 Weeks
    Bumped IGF to 80mcg/Day Bilaterally

    Okay, so I just took my first Syntherol injections in my calves. I only pinned .25ml in each leg. I started at the top on the inside. I will be pinning 4 places in each calf. 2 on each side, for a total of 8 injections. I'm going to wait an hour or two and see how they feel. Then, I may go ahead and pin the other sides.


    So far so good. No pip to speak of at that amount. I will be massaging them all day.


    I still have not made any gains, but i can definitely see a difference. I looked in the mirror, and everything looks fuller, and I seem to be leaner also. I am starting to see more definition around my abs. Keep in mind I am doing no cardio at all. I will be posting some pics soon. I'll probably post pics every 2 weeks to monitor results.

    I am noticing some mild Acne on my neck. I have never had a problem with Acne before, so I hope it doesn't get too bad. Other than that, no sides.


    On a personal note; I broke up with my girlfriend last night after 3 years. It's a long story, but I just do not feel that she is "the one". I love her, but I am not "in love" with her. There is no reason to waste any more of her time. I also quit my job a month ago, so I have a lot going on right now. This is really helping me to keep my mind off of things. I have no friends, so this has been really nice. Thanks Guys!


    I also need to know if it is okay to mix IGF with Syntherol in the same syringe. Someone please help me with this, because I have read different opinions on this, and do not know for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    UPDATE:

    Made a couple changes:
    Bumped Test to 400mg/Week for 12 Weeks
    Bumped IGF to 80mcg/Day Bilaterally

    Okay, so I just took my first Syntherol injections in my calves. I only pinned .25ml in each leg. I started at the top on the inside. I will be pinning 4 places in each calf. 2 on each side, for a total of 8 injections. I'm going to wait an hour or two and see how they feel. Then, I may go ahead and pin the other sides.


    So far so good. No pip to speak of at that amount. I will be massaging them all day.


    I still have not made any gains, but i can definitely see a difference. I looked in the mirror, and everything looks fuller, and I seem to be leaner also. I am starting to see more definition around my abs. Keep in mind I am doing no cardio at all. I will be posting some pics soon. I'll probably post pics every 2 weeks to monitor results.


    On a personal note; I broke up with my girlfriend last night after 3 years. It's a long story, but I just do not feel that she is "the one". I love her, but I am not "in love" with her. There is no reason to waste any more of her time. I also quit my job a month ago, so I have a lot going on right now. This is really helping me to keep my mind off of things. I have no friends, so this has been really nice. Thanks Guys!


    I also need to know if it is okay to mix IGF with Syntherol in the same syringe. Someone please help me with this, because I have read different opinions on this, and do not know for sure.
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    Thank's for the encouragement!
    So far, this has been an Awesome experience. I know the gains are coming slow, but I am being patient.
    I am willing to put in the work.
    This is very important to me.

    I know it's not going to happen overnight, but I really want to look like you guys! You have no idea how bad I want this.
     

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    No PCT?

    So, I just received this message, and I wanted to see what you guys think.

    "In your original post you said you were going to PCT with nolva etc. If you are on TRT why are you going to PCT? It wouldn't be unnecessary.
    If you are going to remain on your 200 mg TRT dose, then it is pointless to run the nolva or HCG. Also, it is inevitable that you will lose most of your gains. However, being on TRT certainly makes it easier then people who come off completely and have to run a full PCT. On a side note, you may want to have an AI on hand incase you experience any estrogen related sides due to increasing your test dose or from the trest.
    My first question is why are you on HRT if you are thinking about taking a break?

    If you PCT you will surely lose more gains then if you just remained on HRT. (Is this true?)

    Also, if you are planning on cycling, then running pct, then running a cutting cycle it makes even less sense to PCT.

    Finally, there is an undeniable mental aspect people often underestimate when running steroids: you will want to run more than two cycles. The pump, feeling, look, strength etc. is something you cant achieve without it. Everytime you come off you will lose a little something and never be quite as satisfied as when you were on. Just keep that in mind.

    My suggestion would be to run your cycle as is then continue to stay on your HRT dose. There's really no reason to ever come off unless you never needed it in the first place. After you cruise on your HRT dose for a month or two, evaluate how much of your gains you kept. If you feel you want to get bigger then run something else over winter. No need to cut when you cant show it off. Hold off on that until spring." (I wasn't planning on running my cutting cycle until February.)

    This is the first time I have heard of not running PCT. Can someone please clarify this for me?
    I thought I needed to run PCT in order to restore my natural Test levels, and to help maintain the gains made before I run my next cycle.

    Thanks!
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    First don't apply anything with IGF. IGF is suspended in acetic acid. Syntherol and the Trestolone are suspended in oil. Don't mix any of it. Do PH, IGF, and Syntherol should all be injected separately.
    If you are taking 200mg a week of test a week for permanently HRT than no you do not need to PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    First don't apply anything with IGF. IGF is suspended in acetic acid. Syntherol and the Trestolone are suspended in oil. Don't mix any of it. Do PH, IGF, and Syntherol should all be injected separately.
    If you are taking 200mg a week of test a week for permanently HRT than no you do not need to PCT.

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    So, would there be no benifit for the HCG at all? My sister is a DR., and she prescribes it for weight loss all the time.

    When I received my IGF, it was wrapped with instructions that said to mix it with my SEO.

    BTW, I just pinned 2 more spots on the inside of my calves. It's a little sore, but no big deal. I've read that it really hurts once you get some oil built up though.

    My levels were not super low. They were 450 before I started HRT. My Dr. said he does not mind working in the Grey area. I got on it to help me grow in the gym. That is all. Now they are between 650-700, well, that's probably changed now. Hopefully...

    I just want to make sure I can maintain my gains the best way possible.

    Thanks for the help guys. It means a lot!
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    UPDATE:

    I received my bodyfat caliper today and took some measurements.
    My bodyfat is 24%, so I have a lot of work to do.
     

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    Do not mix IGF with another product. That said careful with the Syntherol on the outer Calf heads. HCG is a double edged sword. Normally it gives the testes a boost to get them producing again.... When you totally stop AAS and you want you give your testes a jumpstart. Now that you are on HRT your testes will shut down. Administration of exogenous testosterone stops endogenous production. There is no point to using the HCG. It will increase estrogen levels though.
    Think about it. What happens when your thyroid doesn't work efficiently? You get into optimal range through thyroid drugs. That's it. No point in randomly trying to artificially boost testicular output. It's short term and as I said you'll risk sides from elevated estrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Do not mix IGF with another product. That said careful with the Syntherol on the outer Calf heads. HCG is a double edged sword. Normally it gives the testes a boost to get them producing again.... When you totally stop AAS and you want you give your testes a jumpstart. Now that you are on HRT your testes will shut down. Administration of exogenous testosterone stops endogenous production. There is no point to using the HCG. It will increase estrogen levels though.
    Think about it. What happens when your thyroid doesn't work efficiently? You get into optimal range through thyroid drugs. That's it. No point in randomly trying to artificially boost testicular output. It's short term and as I said you'll risk sides from elevated estrogen.

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    Thanks Dude!
    I know a lot of this stuff is very elementary, so thanks for hanging in there with me!

    How is your SEOexperience going? What do you mean about the outside calves? I start them tomorrow. Should be fine as long as I aspirate, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    Thanks Dude!
    I know a lot of this stuff is very elementary, so thanks for hanging in there with me!

    How is your SEOexperience going? What do you mean about the outside calves? I start them tomorrow. Should be fine as long as I aspirate, right?
    My tricep is finally starting to fill out. It looks real good when I'm holding my gym bag and it's pressed against my side. I think I'm finally at the point where I might start seeing some stretching. My IGF is on the way and I'll order my Syntherol tonight.
    The outer part of the calf is very thin and flat. Very little potential for growth and you want it to stay flat. I focus on the inner belly of the calf. There is a lot more meat there and it responds substantially more favorably to SEO in my experience. Also always aspirate. Even if you end up having to jab 5 times to get it right. The dangers are very real and happen very quickly.
    I'm going to be making a much larger batch of my home brew SEO hopefully next week when my syringe filters come in. I might go 75% MCT and 25% cottonseed oil this time. No particular reason though

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    That sounds great man! I'm happy for you.

    Do you think .5ml two times a week is enough for calves? (They are tiny 13"). They say it takes 18 months for the Syntherol to dissipate, so it should still work going that slow, shouldn't it?

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    Like mentioned several time before, this is a really good log! I love your positive attitude and you sound like you're being smart about thing meaning you're being consistent and have realistic expectations. So many people think they can take this or that and they'll get results overnight. People like you are the ones that actually reach their goals. Good luck and enjoy the process :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon View Post
    That sounds great man! I'm happy for you.

    Do you think .5ml two times a week is enough for calves? (They are tiny 13"). They say it takes 18 months for the Syntherol to dissipate, so it should still work going that slow, shouldn't it?

    BTW, I just ordered 4 Bottles of DMZ, and M1T! Not gonna take it until next year. Just wanted to go ahead and get it in case of the ban.
    You're setting realistic expectations and long term goals which is not normal for a beginner. You're way ahead of the curve Bro. I would start there, but I would do it daily. I think .5ml in two spots per calf daily may be a good start. As you are growing I would look to add more. After maybe 5 weeks of daily injections then do the same volume you've worked up to, but only twice a week for 6-8 weeks.
    I think you should research and select a training program. My suggestion would be DC training (Dogg Crap). Your supplement program is solid, but you need a well designed training program. If I were you I would also figure out a diet and eat the same thing everyday. It takes the guess work out of it and damn near guarantees the results you're after as long as you are getting enough sleep.
    Did you post your diet somewhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkQuads View Post
    Like mentioned several time before, this is a really good log! I love your positive attitude and you sound like you're being smart about thing meaning you're being consistent and have realistic expectations. So many people think they can take this or that and they'll get results overnight. People like you are the ones that actually reach their goals. Good luck and enjoy the process :-)
    WOW! That's very encouraging! Thank you so much Silk.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    You're setting realistic expectations and long term goals which is not normal for a beginner. You're way ahead of the curve Bro. I would start there, but I would do it daily. I think .5ml in two spots per calf daily may be a good start. As you are growing I would look to add more. After maybe 5 weeks of daily injections then do the same volume you've worked up to, but only twice a week for 6-8 weeks.
    I think you should research and select a training program. My suggestion would be DC training (Dogg Crap). Your supplement program is solid, but you need a well designed training program. If I were you I would also figure out a diet and eat the same thing everyday. It takes the guess work out of it and damn near guarantees the results you're after as long as you are getting enough sleep.
    Did you post your diet somewhere?

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    Thanks again for such positive feedback! Comments like these are really gonna help me to stay motivated.
    I agree that my training needs A Lot of work. I will definitely find a structured training program tomorrow. I looked at a few @ BB.com a while back, but I guess I forgot about it. I think there was a good one by Jay Cutler.
    I have not posted my diet yet (it's very clean), but I will try and get to that tomorrow. I am really busy tonight with school. I'm a full time student majoring in Applied Sciences, with a minor in Network Engineering.
    Thanks again Dude!
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    hey Nikon what exactly is Networking Engineering ? I mean what type of job opportunities does that kind of degree open up?
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    Network Engineering is the design of Computer Network Systems. The market for this type of career is wide open and extremely lucrative.
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