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    Default HGH "Tired, CTS, Edema"

    Alot of guys using hgh get to feeling really tired. Studies have shown that hgh will cause pituitary gland to suppress signal to thyroid. In turn on blood work free 4 and free 3 with be low and TSH will be low.

    When the issue is with thyroid, our thyroid levels are low and TSH is high. It's saying make thyroid, but that thyroid gland just had it...

    Hypo-thyroid can be from either conditions above. With pituitary not as common but one would still be low in thyroid being hypo.
    With thyroid issues the most common then pituitary working sending TSH but hypo thru thyroid not putting out...

    With hgh I myself have seen on my blood work TSH low low range and free t3 and t4 low. I have seen my cholesterol and glucose be perfect if on 5iu hgh generic and thyroid. My magic # is Novothyral Merck
    It's mix is 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4.
    On a cut I add 25mcg more t3...
    When i stay on hgh at 5iu and come off thyroid especially without time to recover I see my LDL and glucose rise while TSH low and free t4 and t3 low...

    So I have see that thyroid in other studies directly affects glucose and LDL.

    Today Dr's treat patients with statins to Lower LDL and don't worry about thyroid. And this is way wrong and the Big Pharma deal to treat symptoms and not the real problem.

    Back to topic because my issue is related to hgh. I have gotten bad sides, I would dose hgh half around 2.5iu in morning hit protien and workout. Then eat. Around that 3 hour peak of hgh after administering, I was looking for a place to take nap. But couldn't, and I wanna be bigger, faster, stronger I am not gonna be pansy and go take nap. Well doing paperwork my eyes would struggle.

    Next main side would be CTS (Carpal tunnel syndrome). Writing so anything with those achy numb cramping hands!! But waking up at 3am with them swollen in pain edema was too much. So the search begin. Hgh low thyroid symptoms or better yet just hypothyroid symptoms, they matched!!! So I started the Novothyral mix of t3 and t4 and first my throat got sore but then I wasn't tired and edema in hands at night and morning stopped. Still had some CTS but much better and water retention all over body cleared!!!

    Boy when I was fighting it using IGF made it even worse. Pinning IGF in middle of morning workout my God would almost fall asleep after that meal...

    So atm I am still on 5iu hgh but I adjusted to it and let my thyroid come back and ok but lack if energy but pinning all 5iu upon rising. CTS bad as I type at this moment but no edema!!

    I am going to add Novothyral again maybe in morning??? Maybe not...
    I am using igf a year old working still my last vial. I will see where this goes but prolly will add Novothyral soon.

    Anyway this has been my experience and my blood work has shown me the truth because I checked myself and Dr did too.
    Dr didnt know about hgh so he has A1C test coming up next bloods....

    The thing about hgh I love is I can eat more junk and not gain fat. Or not much and if I use thyroid then no fat gains..
    But I like the combo and I am healing up nice. I also love IGF 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off with it!! I can use primo and test prop and results come like u would be on tons of gear..

    So this is my experience and what worked for me with hgh and sides...
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    This sound familiar to anyone??
    Alot of people afraid to mess with thyroid, but believe me taking hgh alone is messing with your thyroid through pituitary and TSH signal....

    T4 with hgh is route most go. Less suppression to thyroid thru feedback because our body should only convert t4 into t3 as needed. Hgh also causes more t4 to t3 conversion.

    A higher metabolic rate with suffient thyroid important for large hgh waves thru self administering hgh. Also having the higher end range than Lower end range we get alot more nutrients and oxygen to muscle tissues.

    I have had polycythemia secondary I guess?? For prolly 6 years I know of. I have had to donate more blood, or blood let because of other conditions my blood can only be used for research, Well for 5 years a pint of blood on average every 4-5 weeks. Went thru having low iron the works.
    Anyway after starting hgh and thyroid I haven't went but 2 to 3 months. Is there a connection??? I need to go check Hemo now and see where it's at, I been off t3/t4 since July 1.

    But from most of my research thyroid bounces back, I myself use a topical iodine. 2 drops on inner wrist and rub together. I have bounced right back each time I used t3/t4 for serval months and then stopped for 2 or 3.

    No one should use anything but we all make our own choices. Only healthy individuals who are in good conditioning and have healthy cardiovascular system should only consider when health is up to par. But I do not condone or advise anyone to do anything. What i do is share my experience and knowledge with others with same interest or for further research and bioscience if u will...
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