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    Ive never new that a more crystal raw powder means its more pure.
    To an extent that is true as all compounds are in a crystal form as a base.
    So for example:
    Test Base,
    Tren Base etc are all crystal form.

    From what ive understood over the years is that the heavier the ester the lower the melting point and less purer the compound mg for mg thus meaning there will be few crystals in the raw compound.
    Please chime in if im wrong but i think most are confused here as to how this all works.
    Thats why products like Test Prop, Test Cyp Tren Ace, Nandrolone Phenyl Prop have high melting points as they contain more crytals and a more purer product per mg of base compound.
    Whereas products like Nandrolone Decanoate, Test Enanthate, Test Decanoate, Tren enanthate have lower melting points but also have less of the actual compound per mg due to being attached to a heavier ester.
    Hope that makes sense

    I might be asking a lot of questions and this is only because im finding new ways to do and improve things.
    Ive been brewing for over 15 years and have my fair share of experience and contacts.

    What i was told when i last met my raws supplier in HK was that this raws business started years ago.
    In Asia countries like India and Pakistan were a big purchaser of the pill used to stop periods and pregnancies as sex before marriage is frowned upon and due to the ever growing population the pill became in high demand to help control number of kids a family was allowed to have.
    From what i understood was that the active ingredients in these pills were a combination of both horomes estrogen and progesterone.

    The manufacturers in china who were producing the APIs for these pills were approached by a group of guys to produce testosterone.
    Now producing estrogen is only 1 step short of turning the product into testosterone. Therefore the change was made quite easily and this is how the raws business in china began.
    What boggles my mind to this day is that there are some really shit lab setups in china were they produce raws and the conditions of these places are absolutely shocking.
    Im sure some batches of what is supposed to be testosterone may sometimes be released from the factory without correctly being produced. Therefore a less superior finished product with maybe some contamination from what was estrogen to begin with.
    Most of the factories used to be farms and once built on the farmers were given jobs at these factories to produce raws.
    To back up this ive had first hand experience as my fav compound is testosterone enanthate and ive used both UGL and Pharma grade. When using ugl i get more estrogen related sides as i do when using pharma grade at a larger dose. This has happended on around 5-6 occasions and got me thinking. Could the quality of raws coming out of china be affected due to the high demand.

    Its just food for thought and please dont slate me for this!
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    Its the cutting that's being done, people don't realize that theres cutting in their powders they order. I agree quality is priority, the lab tested a batch sent by someone to test. The stanzanol was cut with other substances, b12,b6, manganese and some other stuff. it was 71% purity...this is what people are getting if they don't know their source.
    Remember if it comes from China, any tom,dick or harry can go buy it, cut it and ship it to you. they have more product to sell the next American who is desperate to put that unpure shit in their body.
     

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    From what I am reading and learning from you guys is great two know. Sources offering 98 % grade of purity may be cut down and when it get to your hands it might be 60% or less. I'm still learning.
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    I would love to try this crystal process.
    What chemicals do you need.
    PG did you start a thread on this.
    Sorry im lazy today
    so I ask
     

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    Im not too sure about this Crystal process.
    From what i understand and have mentioned before is that all hormones in there actual base compound state are a crystal powder.
    At least from the items i have seen which are:
    Most of the Orals as they have no ester attached and also Test Base, Tren Base, Nandrolone Base, Masteron Base.
    All of the above were like crystal form.
     

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    Free should have been a good indication its not what you wanted haha
    Tren ace almost always has some color due to the esterification process of the Acetate ester.

    Quote Originally Posted by viciouscycle View Post
    Look at the difference between the two suppliers tren ace.
    the darker one is proven good to go. The lighter is from a new source and has"sparkles" like test prop powder has. So I am pretty sure it's cut . Good thing it was free!!
     

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    I have read up on how to do the crystal process. Its not something that I would care to try.
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    With the different grades improvement will be difficult as I know that China is the biggest problem for misc substances in their raws.
    I know a handful of companies that are legit but most add, cut or just don't care what else gets in their powder.
    One I tested had Nickel, Maganese and sucralose in it..it was stanzolol powder (winny). So know your grades and know your powders.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by viciouscycle View Post
    Look at the difference between the two suppliers tren ace.
    the darker one is proven good to go. The lighter is from a new source and has"sparkles" like test prop powder has. So I am pretty sure it's cut . Good thing it was free!!
    yeah that doesnt look right
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    Powderguy, do you know of any easy and cheap way of testing the purity of powders?

    Only one I know is to check the melting point of the powders. Those rigs are a little bit pricey for an avarage joe.
     

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    I couldn't find the thread about crystallizing the gear anybody know where it is? I mean couldn't you just make like an unrealistic dosage and put it in the fridge after? That would fall out of suspension for sure like trying to make 300mg/ml npp then drain the oil and use the crystals to make new gear. I don't know just thinking
     

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    good post
     

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    Def good info. thanks for sharing brother!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thx View Post
    Powderguy, do you know of any easy and cheap way of testing the purity of powders?

    Only one I know is to check the melting point of the powders. Those rigs are a little bit pricey for an avarage joe.
    Powderguy is MIA, and I expect him to remain so. That's all I'm sayin.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEASTZ6 View Post
    Powderguy is MIA, and I expect him to remain so. That's all I'm sayin.
    I hope everything is good and comes back here.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEASTZ6 View Post
    Powderguy is MIA, and I expect him to remain so. That's all I'm sayin.
    Not true bro, he's around. He referred me here. He just doesn't like drama and all that jazz.

    I will stand up for Powderguy, hes a good dude and always has been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Guy View Post
    Not true bro, he's around. He referred me here. He just doesn't like drama and all that jazz.

    I will stand up for Powderguy, hes a good dude and always has been.
    Hmmmm....Powderguy goes MIA on 1/26/16 and you (Just A Guy) join MC on 3/19/16. And you vouch for him, right? PM me your email acct so we can discuss this off the board.
    LMAO Just A Guy Laughed Ass Off
     

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    Hes on other boards bro, just under a different name. I am as well. I have seen you on other boards too.

    Is this place always like this?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodness View Post
    When its all said and done unfortunately a person is going to use whatever they can get because this is the world we live in and the laws and all the bs is not making shit any easier to obtain. Just my opinion. But yes authentication would be great in a perfect world
    you said it man.
     

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    Things are changing fast in this area. The raw grades are sometimes worthless and even dangerous anymore.
    I agree with what was said..this was a goo thread and lots of info in here that is very useful though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Guy View Post
    Things are changing fast in this area.
    meaning??
     

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    Meaning: If people keep just buying what's available then the grades will never change and get worse and worse. If you start to accept crap as the norm then it becomes the norm. You can get authentication but then you run the risk of identifying yourself. Like I said none of this is changing anytime soon, because its what we have accepted for what we want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just A Guy View Post
    Meaning: If people keep just buying what's available then the grades will never change and get worse and worse. If you start to accept crap as the norm then it becomes the norm. You can get authentication but then you run the risk of identifying yourself. Like I said none of this is changing anytime soon, because its what we have accepted for what we want.
    yeah good point, and some of the younger guys dont even know what real high grade gear feels like and i think thats why now on all the bodybuilding forums you hear guys suggesting to start out on first steroid cycle with at least 500mg a week of testosterone and hear guys saying they take 100-150mg anadrol daily lol,

    I guess due to all that shit being made with this garbage low grade steroid powders being used and sold today!

    All i know is 18 or so years ago, 200mg a week of testosterone was plenty for a beginner and fucking hemo's or hancucks anadrol 50mg tabs were so strong you had to split them in half

    anyways, i was going to make this thread a sticky in this steroid powder forum since its so popular a subject,
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