crystals or fiber in filtered product

Powderguy

Powderguy

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I wanted to ask you guys if you have seen fibers or straight crystals in your finished filtered product of homebrew?
I was sent some pics and see it closely after I enlarge it that it looks like fibers (clear) or crystals in solution but its not separated.
Has anyone had this happen with filters or familiar with it? I have not seen this but I do not make high mg/ml ratios.
this is NPP at 300mg/ml it looks clear but has what looks like clear fibers floating around in solution..
 
Powderguy said:
I wanted to ask you guys if you have seen fibers or straight crystals in your finished filtered product of homebrew?
I was sent some pics and see it closely after I enlarge it that it looks like fibers (clear) or crystals in solution but its not separated.
Has anyone had this happen with filters or familiar with it? I have not seen this but I do not make high mg/ml ratios.
this is NPP at 300mg/ml it looks clear but has what looks like clear fibers floating around in solution..
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nope never seen anything like this, I would trash the shit
 
Presser said:
nope never seen anything like this, I would trash the shit
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no need to trash it bro run it through one more time .45um should do it, if your going to use it or not id still filter it once more to see wtf.... what'd you filter it through? PVDF? thats why I only use PTFE man...
 
if you heat it up what happens? are the particles or crystals, which ever or what ever you truly believe they may be, still visible?
 
BuryMeBig said:
no need to trash it bro run it through one more time .45um should do it, if your going to use it or not id still filter it once more to see wtf.... what'd you filter it through? PVDF? thats why I only use PTFE man...
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your probably right brutha, but I've been hospitalized for a week, literally 6 nights 7 days, with an abscess that nearly killed me, my own fault for letting it go so long trying o wait it out and it got worse, but for me, I'm probably over cautious when it comes to this stuff. If i see a single floaty, that shit is trash lmao, but your probably right brutha,
 
Yeah I talked to him. He said when its heated it completely dissolves and returns to solution no crystals or floats.
Presser im with you bro, I do the same thing. He made 200mg/ml NPP and that has to be strong. Mine has only ever been 100.
If its dissolving in heat then its supersaturated then and im sure it will cause some PIP.
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He did say it was a whatman.25 sterile pvdf filter.He said he started with a whatman .22 sterile PTFE and the second filter was.25 pvdf. Still when its heated the crystals dissolve?
 
INTERESTING POWDER... IVE HAD FIBERS IN MY BREW AS WELL.. BUT WHEN I REALIZE THT IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS WIPING MY GLASSWARE WITH PAPER TOWELS AFTER STERILIZATION .. I STOPPED .. LMAO.. ROOKIE MOVE A LONG TIME AGO... BUT IVE NEVER HAD THT PROBLEM.. I KNOW THT THE PTFE MEMBRANE FILTERS ARE EXTREMELY DURABLE TO HIGH HEATS... IT AUTOCLAVES @ 140C I BELIEVE...

I HAVE HEARD THT THE SYRINGE FILTERS ARE NOT THT DURABLE TO HIGH HEAT AND VERY FRAGILE WHEN IT COMES TO FILTERING .. IT COULD BE FIBERS FROM MEMBRANE INSIDE THE SYRINGE FILTER..
 
THE 67 said:
INTERESTING POWDER... IVE HAD FIBERS IN MY BREW AS WELL.. BUT WHEN I REALIZE THT IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS WIPING MY GLASSWARE WITH PAPER TOWELS AFTER STERILIZATION .. I STOPPED .. LMAO.. ROOKIE MOVE A LONG TIME AGO... BUT IVE NEVER HAD THT PROBLEM.. I KNOW THT THE PTFE MEMBRANE FILTERS ARE EXTREMELY DURABLE TO HIGH HEATS... IT AUTOCLAVES @ 140C I BELIEVE...

I HAVE HEARD THT THE SYRINGE FILTERS ARE NOT THT DURABLE TO HIGH HEAT AND VERY FRAGILE WHEN IT COMES TO FILTERING .. IT COULD BE FIBERS FROM MEMBRANE INSIDE THE SYRINGE FILTER..
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wtf is that chinese shit lmao, autoclaves and membrane filters lol, geeeesh, I'm a simple man, gimme a needle and a bottle of juice and I'm good lol
 
Presser said:
wtf is that chinese shit lmao, autoclaves and membrane filters lol, geeeesh, I'm a simple man, gimme a needle and a bottle of juice and I'm good lol
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lol I know right..

So its a high concentration of NPP. I went and saw it for myself. When I heat it it becomes crystal clear, when it cools it becomes sludge. Strangest shit I have ever seen. I have had some issues with NPP at high mg concentrations but not at 200mgs.
Its not fibers from filters, its crystalline and when heated it completely dissolves.
 
Got the little pub hair thing before 50 vials 1 had this had to go threw hole folter process again .
shithad me pissed !!
 
Presser said:
wtf is that chinese shit lmao, autoclaves and membrane filters lol, geeeesh, I'm a simple man, gimme a needle and a bottle of juice and I'm good lol
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i wish tht it was tht easy at time presser.. im as u.. a simpke man just wanting the best gear brewed... lol
 
i have had swirls in my filtered gear, but that's about it. I just reheat and shake it a little until the finished product is swirl free.
 
Yeah this was just a high concentration with very little solvent. I must say it turned out great at 200mg/ml NPP
 
Yea believe me im a freak about my shit too hahahaha trust me, I buy filtered USP oil usually only. Even then I filter my oils, my solvents, co's all individually prior to even mixing them and filtering through the .22um for its final filtering. Nothing wrong with being over cautious, people can sit here and tell me all they want, Why would you filter again when blah blah blah.... Listen... Save it... It's my gear, there my filters, my money, and at the end of th day, ITS MY HEALTH, I'll filter all I want DONT waste your time trying to tell me I should only do what you do... We all do as we please... And if Im a bit more generous on the filtering, don't worry about me... There's plenty of other threads with important questions that need to be replied to, so utilize the effort you put into telling me, and go answer some questions lol.... As I filter for the 3rd time thanks. Hahahaha

Anyhow, yea man if I could hae seen a picture im sorry brother, I would have def. Told you it was actually crashing and not infact fibers. You hit it dead on though I got to say because for future reference for those who read though this, that is EXACTLY what gear that's BAREEEELY crashed will exhibit, little fine crystals that look just as if they are fibers of like dust, lint... Yarn... To rule out its not any of those lol, heat that baby up in whatever means you choose, and see if they disparate. If not then fine... Maybe it is a contaminant, but even then, just refilter through a .22 and itll def. Stay behind. Cheers Brotha! Stay anal, for at the end of the day, it's your health, not Mr. Ignorant asshole's convincing people of doing less right? Haha cheers!
 
BuryMeBig said:
Yea believe me im a freak about my shit too hahahaha trust me, I buy filtered USP oil usually only. Even then I filter my oils, my solvents, co's all individually prior to even mixing them and filtering through the .22um for its final filtering. Nothing wrong with being over cautious, people can sit here and tell me all they want, Why would you filter again when blah blah blah.... Listen... Save it... It's my gear, there my filters, my money, and at the end of th day, ITS MY HEALTH, I'll filter all I want DONT waste your time trying to tell me I should only do what you do... We all do as we please... And if Im a bit more generous on the filtering, don't worry about me... There's plenty of other threads with important questions that need to be replied to, so utilize the effort you put into telling me, and go answer some questions lol.... As I filter for the 3rd time thanks. Hahahaha

Anyhow, yea man if I could hae seen a picture im sorry brother, I would have def. Told you it was actually crashing and not infact fibers. You hit it dead on though I got to say because for future reference for those who read though this, that is EXACTLY what gear that's BAREEEELY crashed will exhibit, little fine crystals that look just as if they are fibers of like dust, lint... Yarn... To rule out its not any of those lol, heat that baby up in whatever means you choose, and see if they disparate. If not then fine... Maybe it is a contaminant, but even then, just refilter through a .22 and itll def. Stay behind. Cheers Brotha! Stay anal, for at the end of the day, it's your health, not Mr. Ignorant asshole's convincing people of doing less right? Haha cheers!
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Thanks bro, I appreciate the advice. I have been doing this a very long time and have never ever had that happen but we all have a first time for everything. I filter mine over and over as well. I take no risks but had to share that it was like this, as I have never experienced it before.
Its finally stable and Io sent a sample to be tested, tested at 212mg/ml. I figured it crashed because I go 20% over on my concentrations due to double filtering and heating. NPP cannot be in high mg/ml rations and it is a lot like prop to inject but only lasts a day with PIP.

Thanks for your input.
 
Powderguy said:
Thanks bro, I appreciate the advice. I have been doing this a very long time and have never ever had that happen but we all have a first time for everything. I filter mine over and over as well. I take no risks but had to share that it was like this, as I have never experienced it before.
Its finally stable and Io sent a sample to be tested, tested at 212mg/ml. I figured it crashed because I go 20% over on my concentrations due to double filtering and heating. NPP cannot be in high mg/ml rations and it is a lot like prop to inject but only lasts a day with PIP.

Thanks for your input.
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Never seen that in any of your brews huh? haha impressive... I've only been brewing for a few months now so im just actually learning the whole process.... Would love to see those results, who'd you send your gear off to that reported 212mg?
 
I cant state openly who did the testing but they did the same testing for *the steroid bible* articles and helped to determine fakes.

All the above has been used and it was great. The first time I have ever seen crystals in my solutions. I tried to supersaturate the NPP and get the most out of it. The phenyl ester doesn't like saturation and I had to lessen the potency with a thinner not a preservative.
 
I had crystals in my npp when I made it at 250 mg/ml it would hold for a few days and then completely crash especially in the cold weather. I reduced it to around 125 mg/ml and it held a lot better after refiltering. The only time I see crystals in it is if i leave it in a cold place and it rarely happens.
 
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