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    I never thought about brewing now that someone recommended a raw source and gave me instructions I feel confident to try my first brew, I want to do 50ml Test P 100mg/ml and 50ml Deca 200mg/ml following the recipe on the Powder Conversion Instructions thread.I just want to make sure that I got everything I need for this in particular I'm worried that the filter is not the proper one for this but here is what I ordered.15g Deca Raw15g Test P Raw100ml BA200ml BB100ml Glass BeakerDigital Spoon scale10x Whatman Syringe Filter 13mm, 0.2um GD/X PVDF, 6872-1302 (I haven't done extensive research but apparently I need a 0.2 and PVDF is good to go for most solvents)5x 30ml Depyrogenated and Sterile Vials (Couldn't find 50mls in the UK and the only I found doesn't look trustworthy at all)1L Sesame Oil3ml Syringe20g Needles to draw and pour into vial25g Needles to equalize pressureWould that be all I need?I know I can make more than 50ml with 15g but I want to see how it goes and get comfortable doing it.
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    With 13mm filter it's going to be really slow going. 25mm or larger is more ideal. It will work you will likely have chicken claw hands by the end of filtering. Might also want to get some 10ml syringes, trying to measure out the oil with 3ml will take some time. I would also brew deca first, test p tends to me a little more tricky than long esters so get your feet wet with long ester.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magyar86 View Post
    With 13mm filter it's going to be really slow going. 25mm or larger is more ideal. It will work you will likely have chicken claw hands by the end of filtering. Might also want to get some 10ml syringes, trying to measure out the oil with 3ml will take some time. I would also brew deca first, test p tends to me a little more tricky than long esters so get your feet wet with long ester.


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    WHAT???? Testosterone Propionate is by far the easiest of all Steroid Hormone powders to make , easiest to work with etc... and Deca is far more tricky so to speak than Testosterone propionate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    WHAT???? Testosterone Propionate is by far the easiest of all Steroid Hormone powders to make , easiest to work with etc... and Deca is far more tricky so to speak than Testosterone propionate.
    Guess we have different experiences as well as the rest of the people having issues with test p and crashing/bad pip/etc?? I don't think I have ever seen a post about deca crashing...have you? And you really think test p is easier than test e/deca/ and especially EQ??! No way bro.


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    Wait just saw he was going to keep test p at 100mg. Test p at 100 is fine, for some reason I thought he said 150 and I'm sure we can agree that test p becomes a pita at higher concentrations without EO or mct.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magyar86 View Post
    With 13mm filter it's going to be really slow going. 25mm or larger is more ideal. It will work you will likely have chicken claw hands by the end of filtering. Might also want to get some 10ml syringes, trying to measure out the oil with 3ml will take some time. I would also brew deca first, test p tends to me a little more tricky than long esters so get your feet wet with long ester.


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    I was actually advised to eyeball the oil amount after I added the powder and solvents, cause apparently the amount of oil doesn't make much of a difference if it's just 1ml for example.
    So you advise me to get a 10ml syringe to measure the amount of oil properly, and then how ml syringe should I use to transfer the final oil to the vial through the filter? If I use a 10ml I would require a lot of pressure I thought a 13mm with a 3ml syringe would be ok, I dont mind spending 30mins filtering if I have to.
    Also should I go for sesame, grapeseed or MCT?
     

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    I use grape seed for everything that is normal concentrations. However grape seed only has a shelf life of something like 2 years (which I don't think any of us plan to have it sit that long but just figured I would mention that)

    You can use 3cc with the 13mm for sure and yes the 3cc will require less thumb pressure due to the smaller plunger, not sure how much easier it will be than a 10ml with 25mm. I would say since you already have what you have just give it a try and see, there is no one way to do this and it's been a while since I have done syringe filtering except for very small test batches. Now I use filter top with vacuum for main runs. Someone else might have more recent/accurate info for filter size/syringe size.


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    Gonna stick to the 3ml syringe and 13mm filter cause it's quite hard to find UK sources for that and that's all I found.
    Making 50mls at a time isn't much anyway I reckon.
    Would this filter be good to go for BB and BB solvents? I don't plan on making crazy recipes I will stick the basic recipes on the sticky threads at those concentrations, making Test, Deca, Tren, Mast, Primo, EQ that all I want to do for now.
    Would the equipment I have be enough for those at the standard concentrations?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrawleR View Post
    Gonna stick to the 3ml syringe and 13mm filter cause it's quite hard to find UK sources for that and that's all I found.
    Making 50mls at a time isn't much anyway I reckon.
    Would this filter be good to go for BB and BB solvents? I don't plan on making crazy recipes I will stick the basic recipes on the sticky threads at those concentrations, making Test, Deca, Tren, Mast, Primo, EQ that all I want to do for now.
    Would the equipment I have be enough for those at the standard concentrations?
    Yes what you have will have no issues with ba/bb. One thing to watch out for is over pressurizing the filter. You can blow it out or cause it to bypass the media. Just don't get into a rush and take breaks when needed. You will be fine bro, where ppl usually mess up is trying to make too high of concentrations. Get a notebook and write down exactly what you do. Everything from weight or raws, amount of ba/bb and oil. Also what temp you heat it to and how long you hold it there. Also make sure brew is below 100F before filtering or whatever your filter manufacture recommends. There are plenty of posted recipes to get you started and up and running. You can start changing things as you get comfortable. If you have any more questions you can PM me.


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    So if I put the oil in a glass heat it up in the oven at 130 degrees Celsius, how long should I leave it there?
    And after mixing the powder, solvents and oil how long can I heat in the stove in a pan?
     

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    no need to heat anything bro

    and use MCT oil. buy from amazon.co.uk
     

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    @CrawleR My friend, that's enough for heating the oil with 212℉( 100 degrees Celsius)​ about 20 mins to sterilize it. And heat the mixture until they mix well, then you could stop heating.
     

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    Would it take hours to filter 50mls oil with a 3ml syringe through the syringe filter?
    One person tells me 30mins or so, other tells me hours, I'll be using MCT oil.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrawleR View Post
    Would it take hours to filter 50mls oil with a 3ml syringe through the syringe filter?
    One person tells me 30mins or so, other tells me hours, I'll be using MCT oil.
    nope

    you'll be done in under 10 min

    i did it today. 3ml syringe and 100ml oil, 0.2um 25mm whatman, 20g needle. think it was like 12-15 minutes for the whole batch.

    i did warm up my oil a little after the second syringe to make it require a bit less pressure, but that was wholly unecessary

    (note that i did use a bigger diameter filter than yours)
     

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    What oil did you use?
    Would MCT really be necessary or GSO would be alright since that's what I have on me?
    Did you heat the oil before and then hit the powder and solvent to speed up?
    I will try to find a 25mm filter it's so hard to find in the UK though.
     

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    I used MCT

    I heated the oil after everything was in solution. So I mixed the raws with the BA and BB, added oil, let it all dissolve, and then warmed it up a little bit just for ease of filtering
     

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    Im brewing Deca for the first time, using the recipe on the powder conversion thread problem is I measured either BB or BA (Cant remember each) and put 0.5ml more than I should have, would that be a major problem?
    I've already filtered 40ml+ doing 15g Deca total so I should have 75ml Deca 200mg/ml.
    Also I'm using a syringe filter whatman 0.2um but 13mm, it does take some time but it's going well I reckon, however how much oil can I filter with just 1 filter?
     

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