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    What are you using for filling vials. I have glaas pipette with pump. Wanted to get single channel pipette but found out that 10ml tips are only 150mm. What about you?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailor View Post
    What are you using for filling vials. I have glaas pipette with pump. Wanted to get single channel pipette but found out that 10ml tips are only 150mm. What about you?
    2 things that are much better is a bottle top dispenser, and a peristaltic pump. If you don't know already a bottle top dispenser ultimate top ecology l45 media battle but make sure you get one set the sensors no more than 20 ml or it won't be so accurate. Also make sure it's not a cheap one. Meaning you need one that you can take apart in order to sterilize.

    The best way is a peristaltic pump. You can also use it to filter using a capsule filter (whattman pollycap 36as) which will allow you to do on average 5 to 10,000ml in 15 to 30 minutes. After you are done filtering with it change the tubing so that the next one is sterile. Then dependendin on the pump you can program it to dispense 10mL with whatever time break you want in between. For instance 3 seconds. Put your vials on a vial rack (look up Wheaton vial rack that holds 50 vials. Then put you filling nozzle on the end of the tubing, and attach it to a $20 lab stand, (Amazon) and set it up so that its about 2 inches from the table. Then you can take your vial rack, and slide it underneath of the filling nozzle, and it will dispense 10mL, you will move it to the next vial and 3 seconds later it will dispense another 10ml. This is the most accurate and sanitary way to filter and fill vials.

    Interested in buying one and don't want to spend $1,000 send me a PM, and I will guide you in the right direction on 2 cheap companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailor View Post
    What are you using for filling vials. I have glaas pipette with pump. Wanted to get single channel pipette but found out that 10ml tips are only 150mm. What about you?
    Bro don't forget to make some posts with information that could potentially help other people, and not just questions. Even if it's just what you using now and how it's working for you.

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    My current setup for filling up vials is boro glass pipette with scale in ml's and pipette pump. It works well but not very comfotable setup for filing more than 50 vials.
     

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    Wow, reading this thread makes me feel partly tiny and like I have to have some deficiency because I choose simple ways that make "sterilization" as simple and easy as I can manage. Heck after reading what you guys wrote I am wondering if my methods are even sterile......
    I stick to 200ml brews or less, I use presealed/sterilized vials and fill them with a 12ml syringe.
    I will say that so far no one has gotten any sort of infection, which doesn't mean I am actually sterile but it has to be a positive sign, right? Second o have managed oil based stanozolol, felt like I get to hold my head up over that one. Third, I still have yet to produce a reasonably painless test enanthate 400, even using ethyl oleate as the carrier, it can still bite. I am wondering if I should have just done 1-2%ba with no bb and rest ethyl oleate OR if I just need to blend different esters to get myself to that old 400mg mark. Also possible I have a bad test enanthate source but it is the only one that gives any PIP issue and the only one I go over 250mgs with. Is it possible that I need a thicker carrier? When I did brew the 400 with an oil based carrier I used MCT oil, is GSO better?

    Sorry guys I just saw the topic then I read and now I am asking myself all sorts of self doubt based questions.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1_whocares View Post
    Wow, reading this thread makes me feel partly tiny and like I have to have some deficiency because I choose simple ways that make "sterilization" as simple and easy as I can manage. Heck after reading what you guys wrote I am wondering if my methods are even sterile......
    I stick to 200ml brews or less, I use presealed/sterilized vials and fill them with a 12ml syringe.
    I will say that so far no one has gotten any sort of infection, which doesn't mean I am actually sterile but it has to be a positive sign, right? Second o have managed oil based stanozolol, felt like I get to hold my head up over that one. Third, I still have yet to produce a reasonably painless test enanthate 400, even using ethyl oleate as the carrier, it can still bite. I am wondering if I should have just done 1-2%ba with no bb and rest ethyl oleate OR if I just need to blend different esters to get myself to that old 400mg mark. Also possible I have a bad test enanthate source but it is the only one that gives any PIP issue and the only one I go over 250mgs with. Is it possible that I need a thicker carrier? When I did brew the 400 with an oil based carrier I used MCT oil, is GSO better?

    Sorry guys I just saw the topic then I read and now I am asking myself all sorts of self doubt based questions.
    Let me ask you this are you using a magnetic hot plate with a stir Rod or are you making it in a water bath on the stove top?


    What percentages of BA, and BB did you use for the Test E@400mg?

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    I started with the hot water bath but I was having issues with my DHB cyp holding. So I switched to a cooking oil bath on the stove top. I can get the solution (brew) over 212 f and I have found that a slower cool down (beaker sitting in the oil after the heat is turned off) also helps hold. I still stir, obviously not the whole time but regularly, mainly to keep the solution cooling at an even pace vs the top cooling first. For absolute clarity I started the oil bath as a way to KNOW I got the solution hot enough to kill whatever along with making sure any possible moisture is heated out of the solution. Everything else like the longer cool down and such is just added bonus that seems to help.

    Now I know that the magnetic stiring is the way to go it's just a matter of the funds to make that jump.

    For my ratios in the test enanthate 400 I have used 2%ba and 20%bb and I used that weather I used the ethyl oleate as the carrier or the mct oil as carrier. Do I need to adjust those levels? I do regularly look at any UGL that lists it's vial contents and assuming they are accurate I have seen a higher concentration test e only list 1-2% ba and the rest ethyl oleate, as in NO bb. This UGL did list BB on the contented of other hormones so I assume the lack of the BB was not a typo.

    Is adding a little guiaicol to the test 400 a possible help? If i can make a nice painless oil winstrol with a little guiaicol along with a 150mg dhb cyp with a little guiaicol that is basically painless, then is that maybe a "cheaters" way to eliminate this test bite?
     

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    Get cheap magnetic stirrer with rack stand to hold analog termometer, thats it. You dont need digital fancy one.

    Regarding 400mg brew. In my opinion too much hassle. All that additional solvents and high mg's will make pip for sure. No saying about scare tissue after long use. Test E 250-280 maximum.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tailor View Post
    Get cheap magnetic stirrer with rack stand to hold analog termometer, thats it. You dont need digital fancy one.

    Regarding 400mg brew. In my opinion too much hassle. All that additional solvents and high mg's will make pip for sure. No saying about scare tissue after long use. Test E 250-280 maximum.
    So you shouldn't have to use 20% BB even at 400mg. I would only use probably 15%BB. You don't have to worry about it crashing as it will hold with only 10% but I would use 15%BB anyway.

    So there's a few things that come to mind. The first thing is Test E is known for some batches to cause PIP no matter what and that's because it has something called carbolic acid in it sometimes. That is a problem, but there is a way to fix it you can cook off the Carbolic acid by adding just the carrier oil. No BA or BB, and cook it at 200 degrees Celsius 30 minutes.

    The second thing is some compounds need to be made with a thicker oil like you said. However Test E is not one of those compounds and if it is a compound like that which is usually a short Ester or something like dhb you want to throw around 50% safflower oil in With 50% MCT, but I don't think that's the problem here.

    The last thing that comes to mind and I see you've already fixed it which is a lot of time by not using a hot plate with Magnetic stir rod the hormone does not get suspended enough into the carrier oil and therefore it falls out of suspension after injection which is why you get that knot at the injection site witch is just the hormone left behind after the muscle absorbs the carrier oil, and that knot/hormone irritates the muscle causing PIP.

    Also no you should never have to use G when making Test E. only for bases and very short answers at high concentrations.

    Now the fact that you said you were able to make injectable winny in oil and it held says a lot. I'm assuming you had to cook the hell out of it to get it to hold correct? However I have never seen DHB at 150mg. In fact at anything above 100mg that does not cause PIP. That is one of the compounds I'm talking about when I say you need to add a little thicker carrier oil.

    As far as a hot plate goes. yes that is all you need. You do not need a digital one, and there will come a time where you will not even need a thermometer only when cooking crazy stuff like bases or injectable winny.

    Again back to the Test E, many people including myself can make it at 500mg with no PIP. So there's no reason you can't make it at 400mg without PIP. Therefore I would have to say it's your raw material.

    I think I covered everything. If I left anything out or you have any other questions just let me know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macho313 View Post
    So you shouldn't have to use 20% BB even at 400mg. I would only use probably 15%BB. You don't have to worry about it crashing as it will hold with only 10% but I would use 15%BB anyway.



    Again back to the Test E, many people including myself can make it at 500mg with no PIP. So there's no reason you can't make it at 400mg without PIP. Therefore I would have to say it's your raw material.

    I think I covered everything. If I left anything out or you have any other questions just let me know...

    Actually send me a PM. I wanna pick your brain about the Winny....



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