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    Do you recommend HCG for men that are not going to have kids (or already do) and will be on permanent Testosterone Replacement Therapy?
    I have seen it recommended several times and don't understand why, just for plump testes?
     

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    oh ya i always put my patients on hcg, the reason is for endogenous production of testosterone. I call it a "double whamy" as you are getting exogenous (synthetic) and endogenous (natural). Other benefits of hcg as well such as weight loss as it acts upon the diacephalon .
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    Thx for clearing that up trtdoc
     

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    still a little confused about it. if trt knocks out natural test production, then won't hcg just be unproductive? or is there some other mechanism in our bodies taking place that allows us to produce natural w/ hcg while taking trt? also, is there an alternative to hcg. just happens, i am quite allergic to it and get urticaria. i have a vial still, unreconstituted, because of it.
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    I have actually had a few patients that are allergic to HCG. It is really unfortunate!

    Hcg acts upon the diacephalon and mediates the production of testosterone naturally (when you use synthetic test, your body signals the diacephalon and hypothalamus to discontinue production due to high reserve). It is very good compound with many other benefits!

    eh, the closest would be hgh and that is highly regulated and illegal (not to mention expensive)
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    Great question pgb...
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    So if I am on TRT and HGH there really is no need for HCG?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    So if I am on TRT and HGH there really is no need for HCG?

    sure yellow, who wants big nuts banging around anyway, lol. i'm not looking to have more kids either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    I have actually had a few patients that are allergic to HCG. It is really unfortunate!

    Hcg acts upon the diacephalon and mediates the production of testosterone naturally (when you use synthetic test, your body signals the diacephalon and hypothalamus to discontinue production due to high reserve). It is very good compound with many other benefits!

    eh, the closest would be hgh and that is highly regulated and illegal (not to mention expensive)
    that makes it a bit clearer. i do not think that a peptide like gnrh would do much good, since it only signals the body to start producing test, but it wouldn't continue to do so with test in the system already. not trying to be critical, just trying to understand better.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgb View Post
    sure yellow, who wants big nuts banging around anyway, lol. i'm not looking to have more kids either.
    exactly. Don't old guys complain about sitting on there nuts..............I can do with out that !!
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    I on TRT and don't want hcg.
    I am also taking hgh.
    I like more than TRT dose though.
    Alot of guys bloat and need too much ai's with hcg!
    I like proviron, masterone with trt nolva 10 mg a day if blasting.
    According to my bloods and my bloat, AI is not worth it.
    And I am not having any more kids. I also understand that testes makes other things besides testosterone BUT I have had no trouble and neither anyone else that doesn't fool with it.
    My balls or only tighten up when estro is high even on lots more than TRT.
    Estro good no nuetured Look! That is me. And that AI messes things up.
    I feel on trt proper dose that u shouldn't need an ai especially if taking TRT dose at 50mg Monday and 50mg Thursday


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    If you are using hgh then there is absolute no need or reason to run hcg.

    Hcg essentially keeps the nuts doing their job, that is why they are kept up to normal size while running hcg with TRT. Run it for 6 months without hcg and you can definitely tell a difference.


    AIs are not needed at 100-150mg week of test. More like 200mg/wk and higher. However, everybody is different and convert differently. Labs don't lie, that's why we get them



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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    If you are using hgh then there is absolute no need or reason to run hcg.

    Hcg essentially keeps the nuts doing their job, that is why they are kept up to normal size while running hcg with TRT. Run it for 6 months without hcg and you can definitely tell a difference.


    AIs are not needed at 100-150mg week of test. More like 200mg/wk and higher. However, everybody is different and convert differently. Labs don't lie, that's why we get them



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    Yes but estro has been misunderstood
    It's a ratio to test. Not a value we seek with test levels over 3000-5000 uncapped!
    On blast. Labs don't lie but neither does us who exceeded medical research.

    Don't get mad Dr. But I know alot and use my Dr's to write script, orders, and find one I trust in surgery is necessary!!!
    I know as much as ones I seen in past.

    Plus I have time to research on my areas only and not accommodating 100's of different ones.

    As stated unlike The US big Pharma business first best interest later, masterone and proviron work better for labs.

    Problem is lots of guys I help get on 200 TRT a week at the gate hcg and AI 3x a week.

    Where are labs on them before doing this lots of them post here at MC and pm me for help. There bp goes thru the roof.

    Hcg should be delayed after try dose stable then estro test at 3 months before adding an AI!

    50mg 2x per wk should be guild line for for 3 months until labs are back unless it's and old juice head who knows what they doing.

    Just saying. Speaking my experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by yellow snow View Post
    exactly. Don't old guys complain about sitting on there nuts..............I can do with out that !!
    lmao, i've had problems with mine since i was a teenager and got rack up good. nearly no nuts is a God send. lol.

    i think the point the doc is trying to make is that we can possibly be able to still produce a bit of natural testosterone using hcg while on a trt program, which actually is a good thing. at least for the guys who can take hcg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    If you are using hgh then there is absolute no need or reason to run hcg.

    Hcg essentially keeps the nuts doing their job, that is why they are kept up to normal size while running hcg with TRT. Run it for 6 months without hcg and you can definitely tell a difference.


    AIs are not needed at 100-150mg week of test. More like 200mg/wk and higher. However, everybody is different and convert differently. Labs don't lie, that's why we get them



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    so, are you saying i can run hgh instead, since i'm allergic to hcg. realize it cost more.
     

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    you bet, it is extremely expensive. Love the compound though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    you bet, it is extremely expensive. Love the compound though.

    considering what i've spent on other things, it could be worse. what is your recommended dosage for hgh, if i may ask. i've ran it at 2iu twice a day and at 3iu once a day. i felt i got better result at 3 iu once a day. it also helped to extend how long i could use it. just everyday pins get monotonous. have to save up now, whilst i cruise, except going off right now waiting to see uro. that sucks, like va.
     

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    3ius per day is definitely considerable. I always base it off of "Feel" as different compounds work different on everybody. if 3ius are what work best for you and you are managing all sides then thats where I would dose. Love HGH. Wish the government did not regulate it so highly or I would include heavily in my practice.

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    HGH is more regulated than testosterone? Didn't realize that. Big brother strikes again.
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    Interesting post, HCG's got plenty of uses!
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    Definitely, its a great compound. I will post an article on it soon describing all the benefits.

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    I never understood why someone would want to use hcg if they have no desire to have kids. So what if your nuts shrink. Small nuts make your member look bigger
     

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    haha, welll that is definitely true!

    HCG helps protect the diacephalon and engages the natural production of testosterone (endogenous). It has many benefits and is becoming highly researched.

    That comment made me lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chihuahua View Post
    I never understood why someone would want to use hcg if they have no desire to have kids. So what if your nuts shrink. Small nuts make your member look bigger
    if hcg usage with your TRT keeps your balls bigger, I am all for it! I once had that who cares about my ball size outlook and well, bigger balls for me is better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    if hcg usage with your TRT keeps your balls bigger, I am all for it! I once had that who cares about my ball size outlook and well, bigger balls for me is better.
    Hgh doing job for mine.
    I thought about using one of those rubber band tie off things other day around them.
    Lmso!!!
    U know what I am taking about, I hope

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    What dose do you run hcg?
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    Ya its all about preventing testicular atrophy which can turn into some issues down the road.

    Most men do very well at are able to keep testicular function patent at 250iu weekly. Some, very few require 500iu and higher weekly

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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    Ya its all about preventing testicular atrophy which can turn into some issues down the road.

    Most men do very well at are able to keep testicular function patent at 250iu weekly. Some, very few require 500iu and higher weekly

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    Are these problems down the road, lack of DHEA, PREGENOLONE, AND 11hydroxy... u know???
    If i am using hgh regular am I good.
    I am on TRT my Dr never put me on hcg I have been on TRT with him for 5 years!

    Is the hgh sufficient or should I ask him for hcg??

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    HGH has too many negative side effects and is becoming highly scrutinized by DEA. It is now pretty much required to place pts on hcg if they are on TRT. Most old providers are not up to date on research and we see they do not utilize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    HGH has too many negative side effects and is becoming highly scrutinized by DEA. It is now pretty much required to place pts on hcg if they are on TRT. Most old providers are not up to date on research and we see they do not utilize.
    What i mean is I have hgh, and don't care about dea!!! They are smoking pot and selling pot in states cause people didn't care about dea!!! I don't use pot and wouldn't if legal in my state.

    Sorry but dea, yes a Dr for license needs to care. I meant ask my Dr for HCG or is my hgh sufficient??

    My balls are fine, I got a couple dogs fixed that are very old and healthy!!!
    They are males but fixed no problems.
    Lol!

    I am honest and will say I only use TRT dose to go do bloods. I stayed on primo thru bloods and hgh. Dropped mast prop and test prop 7 days before but only 150wk for each of those!! Stayed on 300 wk Primo E, Trt cyp 100wk, proviron 50-75mg a day!!!

    All my bloods were good as usual.
    Only bad bloods I ever had were when total test was 47 before starting TRT.
    Thought it was 147 but looked again other day.

    I agree on some but disagree too.
    Every guy I know trt who is turned lose with 200mg a week and hcg, and adex has had issues!!! Bp, water retention bloat, with crashed estro!! Lol!
    Then they are put in thiadanzid's or whatever!!!
    Before quitung trt they often come to me or experienced gear user instead of their Dr.
    I tell them what I would do.
    Drop TRT cyp to 50mg mon 50 mg Thurs.
    Save hcg or make use of it in another way.
    Stop adex or reduce to .5 @2 wk then reduce to less and only use when signs are present!!!
    They then get ofc BP meds by family dr!!

    I.feel that enough trt that aromatases should not be started to need an AI and hcg, I have saw cause bloat only Aromasin
    Seems to control!




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    Fell asleep posting up. I can't edit it.

    I have bloat from hcg use on trt that only Aromasin was able to control.

    I also have noticed that hcg use on TRT can be complex and cause spikes in estro that causes complications.

    From lots of people I have spoken with the ones that tolerate TRT at 150-200mg per wk with adex and HCG are the experience steroid users who shut themselves down!!!
    Then got on TRT, but the still blast and cruise!!!

    I don't meet or talk to many who just ended up with low test, got on TRT cause of natural reasons, these guys right here I have noticed don't do well with 150-200wk
    TRT, with ADEX AND HCG!!

    I feel and advice I give is let body adjust and take it's coarse.
    Do it slow testosterone over a certain dose should aromatase, take slow let body adjust over 90 day period draw bloods then with stable levels of testosterone see where estro is at and if adex is even needed!!!

    Next hcg with TRT!!!
    Same as above leg body shutdown like it is supposed to do. Leave hcg out equation until 6 months bloods!!
    Allow patient to experience one at a time know how they respond and what causes which symptom!!!
    If HCG is all what it is supposed to do then at later stage it can be introduced!!!

    Adex can be dangerous if it's over done, hcg can cause side effects consistently what estro high causes. BUT THESE side effects and bloating from HCG often an AI fails to control!!!

    I believe it someone needs TRT then they should be given testosterone!!!
    The other 2 adex and HCG those not given till necessary and conditions develope to take them.

    As far as thinking we take this and this and this and we trick the body and if that causes high blood pressure then we take pill for that too!!!
    I disagree with this approach!!!!

    I am not trying to be controversial I am being honest alot of guys Message and ask for advice from many boards!!!
    Maybe me speaking up can help more guys!!!

    Thanks DR. For being here and sharing your knowledge from a medical standpoint!!!Why Use HCG If I'm On TRT For LifeWhy Use HCG If I'm On TRT For LifeWhy Use HCG If I'm On TRT For Life

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    Ive read that HCG destroys lipid levels. Doc and MM, what are your thoughts/experience here? I use HCG (only 250 1 x a week) but I stop for a month before my blood tests for lipids. (Im on statins).
    If my lipids are out of whack,he makesme come back, etc. So I'd rather not deal w/ that, I go 4x a year as it is.

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    Adex and Hcg is hard on lipids, so must be careful and follow healthy diet and use cardiovascular exercise as often as possible.

    If it's too far past diet and exercise then certain statins can be added to your regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    Adex and Hcg is hard on lipids, so must be careful and follow healthy diet and use cardiovascular exercise as often as possible.

    If it's too far past diet and exercise then certain statins can be added to your regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by trtdoc View Post
    HGH has too many negative side effects and is becoming highly scrutinized by DEA. It is now pretty much required to place pts on hcg if they are on TRT. Most old providers are not up to date on research and we see they do not utilize.
    Your talking mostly about your being looked at / scrutinized by DEA for prescribing HGH right? It's a shame someone was asleep at the wheel when it came to prescribing OxyContin, Percocet, and Fentnyl patches.

    I guess it's a fine line doing what you think is right for your patients while trying to do right by yourself and not lose your license to practice!

    personally I think what your doing with HRT or TRT is quite commendable and as I said before , extremely beneficial to those of us who actually need services like yours!
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