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    Transdermal Testosterone has been marketed heavily in the Hormone Replacement Therapy Market for the last decade. For over 50 years, testosterone therapy has been used for the treatment of hypogonadism. In recent years, there has been an increase in the use of testosterone therapy for men with late-onset hypogonadism, sometimes referred to as andropause. Testosterone therapy in older and hypogonadic men can significantly improve their sense of well-being, and lead to increases in muscle and bone mass, upper body strength, virility and libido (5). Oral delivery of unmodified testosterone is not really a viable option, due to its rapid first-pass metabolism, possible liver toxicity, and its relatively short half-life. Thus, injectable testosterone was used for a very long time as an effective hormone replacement method. Roughly a decade ago, alternatives to injectable and oral testosterone were developed. Originally, these alternative methods of application for testosterone meant shaving an area of the skins surface (*usually the scrotum... no, really) and attaching a testosterone patch with low, dry heat (again, no, really) like a hairdryer, which basically hot-glued the testosterone patch to the scrotum. I cant see, for the life of me, the logic employed by the doctor who thought this method was preferable to weekly or twice-monthly injections. Luckily, this painful procedure progressed to the point where its at now, and you can simply apply a self sticking patch or rub some testosterone gel anywhere on your body, and get the same effect. Recently, the BALCO scandal featured many references to the gel method. I think, for an adequate understanding of these types of products, were going to have to take a look at both the drug (testosterone) as well as the method of administration (transdermal delivery), and see how they work together, and how they compare with testosterone injections.When some (nonscrotal) transdermal testosterone preparations have been examined, they showed that the plasma concentration of TS increased very rapidly, and reached the peak level within 3-6 hours of application of the experimental patch..(2) This is comparable with some of the better oral products out there, in my experience, an athlete would usually swallow a pill than have a patch hanging on them for a day, though.
    Basically, you can expect all of the benefits of injectable testosterone with the transdermals (if the mg doses were the same, which they are not). What were dealing with here isAndroderm, which is a patch containing 12.2mgs of testosterone, and androgel, which gives you about the same (you only get 10% of the total drug contained in the preparation... thus a hundred mgs of test in a gel form, would yield a 10mg amount in your body).
    Heres a chart comparing a transdermal with an injectable, both using testosterone:
    Steady-state pharmacokinetic profiles of T, BT, DHT, and E2 profiles during nightly applications of TTD systems (n = 27; , left panels) and biweekly IM injections of T enanthate (n = 29; X, right panels) measured at week 16. Dashed lines denote upper and lower limits of normal range based on morning serum samples (T, 306-1031 ng/dL; BT, 92-420 ng/dL; DHT, 28-85 ng/dL; E2, 0.9-3.6 ng/dL). Error bars denote SD.(1)
    Not so great, huh? A mere 100mg shot of injectable testosterone provides much higher peak plasma concentrations of testosterone, even though the transdermal testosterone was more stable, with regards to blood plasma levels. So what are the advantages of transdermal application? Clearly, it provides a very stable blood level of the compound administered. I know it seems like Im killing you with charts, but take a look at this one:
    Serum T concentrations (mean SE) before (day 0) and after transdermal T applications on days 1, 30, 90, and 180. Time 0 h was 0800 h, when blood sampling usually began. On day 90, the dose in the subjects applying T gel 50 or 100 was up- or down-titrated if their preapplication serum T levels were below or above the normal adult male range, respectively. In this and subsequent figures the dotted lines denote the adult male normal range, and the dashed lines and open symbols represent subjects whose T gel dose were adjusted.
    So its consistent, ..but who cares? The levels of testosterone it give us are just enough to provide a slight boost, at a high (financial) cost. Wouldnt it be great if we could get this stuff dosed more highly? Or maybe even with clen, so we could apply it directly to fatty areas? Or with Tren? That would be great, huh? It would even have potential for first time needle-phobic steroid users to use items which were formerly only available as an injectable! Women could use a Tren product without leaving needle marks! In fact...with a little creativity, underground labs could even make transdermal products which would never get caught by customs (perhaps disguised as stickers or whatever).
    Anyway...I guess thats not in the cards, though...
    Lets move on...
    One particularly successful transdermal testosterone delivery method involves the combination of DuroTak 87-2510 as an adhesive polymer. This is combined with 3% dodecylamine and 10% span 80. This, combined with testosterone creates a nice transdermal delivery system (4). Another experimental transdermal testosterone preparation contains occlusion, octisalate (OS), and propylene glycol (PG), called Solugel (which is a proprietary hydrogel containing PG 25% w/w) and Tegaderm (a semipermeable film dressing) on the permeation of TES was assessed. Occlusion had no effect on the permeation of TES, however, OS increased the flux of TES 2.9-fold. The concentration of PG which produced optimal TES flux was 20% v/v, and this concentration resulted in a 1.9-fold increase in TES permeation. By combining OS, PG, and occlusion, transdermal testosterone permeation through the skin was increased 8.7-fold, which was a synergistic enhancement, obviously, meaning the sum of the parts was far more than their individual totals (3). Why did I bother telling you all of the ingredients, which can easily be found at a chemical supply house, and bought legally? Certainly not so you could make your own transdermal preparations of testosterone (or Tren, or clen, or whatever)& that would be illegal. Even though you now know the ingredients, and could just make a gel with them and some testosterone (or tren, from Finaplex pellets), and create your own transdermal drug delivery product. That would be wrong&
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    This forum doesn't seem too active, which is unfortunate because in my experience, most doctors don't know shit about hormones; don't like having a patient who knows more than they do; get offended when asked questions like "Why?" And because there is a LOT of false information out there, much of which is believed and repeated by doctors to their patients. I got so much help with hormones and figuring things out for myself here, from guys with experience and knowledge. Hopefully, more guys who need help find this forum and get it.

    I have been to 7 different docs in 2 different states and at least inquired about TRT. I've been prescribed TRT by 4 different docs, now. Of the 7 I have spoken to on the subject, only 2 were on TRT themselves. Therefore only 2 of them had any first hand experience and/or could relate personally to my own experience. I feel that is extremely important. Of the two docs with TRT experience, only 1 of them has deep knowledge of hormones and symptoms; or has any ideas about solutions to specific issues. That guy is the doc I who is prescribing for me currently. I feel lucky to have found him.

    Without making this too lengthy, he is the first doc to suggest that maybe I'd do better with something other than test cyp. Now, I was completely honest with him about what I was doing when I consulted with him in the first place, which was test cyp + test prop + mast enth + mast prop; the mast in pretty high doses, like 700mg/week. At times, test prop only (150mg/wk) + the mast e/mast p combo at 700mg/wk. He suggested "Tri-Test" which is pretty much a version Sustenon. It's a blend of test prop, cyp and enth. Plus, I'm on clomiphene citrate, 50mg/day. THIS IS WORKING FOR ME! Much better than any protocol I've followed before.

    I'll gladly share my experience here to help others but I'll recommend this doc to anyone who asks, too. He knows his shit on this stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMW14 View Post
    This forum doesn't seem too active, which is unfortunate because in my experience, most doctors don't know shit about hormones; don't like having a patient who knows more than they do; get offended when asked questions like "Why?" And because there is a LOT of false information out there, much of which is believed and repeated by doctors to their patients. I got so much help with hormones and figuring things out for myself here, from guys with experience and knowledge. Hopefully, more guys who need help find this forum and get it.

    I have been to 7 different docs in 2 different states and at least inquired about TRT. I've been prescribed TRT by 4 different docs, now. Of the 7 I have spoken to on the subject, only 2 were on TRT themselves. Therefore only 2 of them had any first hand experience and/or could relate personally to my own experience. I feel that is extremely important. Of the two docs with TRT experience, only 1 of them has deep knowledge of hormones and symptoms; or has any ideas about solutions to specific issues. That guy is the doc I who is prescribing for me currently. I feel lucky to have found him.

    Without making this too lengthy, he is the first doc to suggest that maybe I'd do better with something other than test cyp. Now, I was completely honest with him about what I was doing when I consulted with him in the first place, which was test cyp + test prop + mast enth + mast prop; the mast in pretty high doses, like 700mg/week. At times, test prop only (150mg/wk) + the mast e/mast p combo at 700mg/wk. He suggested "Tri-Test" which is pretty much a version Sustenon. It's a blend of test prop, cyp and enth. Plus, I'm on clomiphene citrate, 50mg/day. THIS IS WORKING FOR ME! Much better than any protocol I've followed before.

    I'll gladly share my experience here to help others but I'll recommend this doc to anyone who asks, too. He knows his shit on this stuff.
    Its great to have a good trt doctor! My doctor is great and very open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMW14 View Post
    Plus, I'm on clomiphene citrate, 50mg/day. THIS IS WORKING FOR ME! Much better than any protocol I've followed before.

    I'll gladly share my experience here to help others but I'll recommend this doc to anyone who asks, too. He knows his shit on this stuff.

    What are your current doses?
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    150mg test (the test blend I'm using - like sustenon) every 4 days; 50mg clomiphene citrate every day.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMW14 View Post
    This forum doesn't seem too active, which is unfortunate because in my experience, most doctors don't know shit about hormones; don't like having a patient who knows more than they do; get offended when asked questions like "Why?" And because there is a LOT of false information out there, much of which is believed and repeated by doctors to their patients. I got so much help with hormones and figuring things out for myself here, from guys with experience and knowledge. Hopefully, more guys who need help find this forum and get it.

    I have been to 7 different docs in 2 different states and at least inquired about TRT. I've been prescribed TRT by 4 different docs, now. Of the 7 I have spoken to on the subject, only 2 were on TRT themselves. Therefore only 2 of them had any first hand experience and/or could relate personally to my own experience. I feel that is extremely important. Of the two docs with TRT experience, only 1 of them has deep knowledge of hormones and symptoms; or has any ideas about solutions to specific issues. That guy is the doc I who is prescribing for me currently. I feel lucky to have found him.

    Without making this too lengthy, he is the first doc to suggest that maybe I'd do better with something other than test cyp. Now, I was completely honest with him about what I was doing when I consulted with him in the first place, which was test cyp + test prop + mast enth + mast prop; the mast in pretty high doses, like 700mg/week. At times, test prop only (150mg/wk) + the mast e/mast p combo at 700mg/wk. He suggested "Tri-Test" which is pretty much a version Sustenon. It's a blend of test prop, cyp and enth. Plus, I'm on clomiphene citrate, 50mg/day. THIS IS WORKING FOR ME! Much better than any protocol I've followed before.

    I'll gladly share my experience here to help others but I'll recommend this doc to anyone who asks, too. He knows his shit on this stuff.
    I've come up against the same thing in my experience. About the same number of doctors, but none of them know much about it. They get all huffy and offended when you ask why something is the way it is. The docs where I live spout out the same stuff that the media does so there's tons of misinformation here.

    Having been on TRT for over 20 years now makes me somewhat a veteran on the subject, but I sure wish I could find a good doc who knows about it, too. No one prescribes anything but the usual test cyp here.
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    Gels or patches are useless.injectable Test is better,and results are quick.
     

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    Aging can be depressing, so people often choose to take anti-aging medication to stay young as long as possible. I assume that without a medical prescription, the pills taken may affect our health, and we could develop some severe conditions. I have asked for details from people who work at Home | Fenben Lab about hormones used in the anti-aging process, and they told me that scientists are still working on creating other intakes for people who want to stay young for a little more time. I guess we should wait and see the specialists' discoveries.
     

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