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    Default Vision's blood work on TRT with P.S.L Mast-E and Proviron

    Here's my recent bloods on 200mg Pharma script Test Cyp with Euro-Pharmacies PROVIRON and Masteron


    As many of you know I blast & cruise, more blasting than cruising with switch hitting.. I had blood work that was expected to be pulled from my Doc, he actually forgot and I had to remind him, it worked out well because I wanted to come off for a bit and do a little small cruise (6 weeks'ish) and give my CNS a moment to recoup as well as giving my REC's a brake..

    I figured this would also be a great opportunity to take advantage of Masteron and Proviron used in conjunction with my TRT.. For the following reasons to keep libido strong, depression at a low at the same time optimizing the most out of my TRT dosage..

    The addition with Proviron & Masteron is that it's a useful tool for the TRT user and specifically for those that cruise on low "T" doses who wish to inhibit the conversion of T to estrogen. By inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, Masteron would be in effect blocking the conversion of free testosterone to estrogen by the aromatisation pathway Yielding great levels of Free usable test. This would not only serve to marginally increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation (thus giving a greater effect of the testosterone during a TRT treatment or cruise).. With this said, I was just using 200mgs Script test-cyp E7D (with script adex .5 E3D) and Masteron-200 E7D and proviron at 50mg ED this ultimately created a match made in heaven, a complimentary duo!

    Bloods were pulled 3 days after last pin and I was fasted and the panel was a sensitive essay (I wanted to see if my BS levels would effect estrogen total serum by way of estrone elevation due to fasting).. I have BS issues along with a family history of diabetes, the serum levels were extremely high and I doubt there was cross-reactivity of anything else due to the fact that E2 was low.. Being in a fasted state seems to be the culprit..

    Further more, people tend to put blood serum numbers in a standard range of expectancy.. I've always advocated that I'm a slow/low metabolizer, even at 200mg which is the high end of TRT treatment and I barely scraped the high end.. It proves that this truly is NOT a one size fits all..

    My closing comments : Libido was great, appetite was strong and I have no complaints, my sense of well-being was on point..The extreme low SHBG levels IMO are directly associated with the mast/prov, thus the result of low estro and higher free T..This can explain why I continued to feel great even after lowering my T dosage significantly..

    I will continually use Mast and/or Proviron with every cruise I do!

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    There's an Easter egg here that's hidden inside of all of this, it's something I don't want people to miss.

    This goes to prove that you really don't need much test.. I laughed when I see guys chasing a total serum number, they are expecting numbers in or around the 3k + range and they believe that this is where you need to be in order to make the most progress.. I will say this again, stop chasing total serums and focus on free test levels.. people can have 3000 of bound test and that doesn't mean anything, in fact that testosterone is useless..

    People should incorporate compounds that are complementary with freeing up bound testosterone into more bioavailable testosterone..

    The moral of my point, is free up your test levels and let all of the other compounds be the workhorse..

    Know how to optimize your testosterone levels so they can work best for you.. it's not quantity but rather qualities..
    I would rather have several hundred work horses, compared to 3000 useless horses..

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    Testosterone replacement therapy is as much an art as it is a science.
    Here at P.S.L. we understand this concept!



    Through the treatment of Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) one should be given based on symptoms instead of blood values.
    If you have no energy. Esp, gain fat easily, have trouble putting on muscle, have a low libido, and suffer from depression, you may need TRT.
    Especially if you feel this after a cycle/blast with a so-called successful "PCT"..



    Some benefits of this TRT stack may come rather quickly, such as increased libido as this may/can improve within weeks,
    as can depression, loss of body fat and an increase in muscle and a overall sense of well being!




    Androgen replacement therapy (ART), often referred to as testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), is a class of hormone replacement therapy in which androgens, often testosterone, are replaced (and can be utilized for cruises between cycles/blasts). ART is often prescribed to counter the effects of male hypogonadism. It typically involves the administration of testosterone through injections of Testosterone.

    ART is also employed after a cycle/blast for those that wish to stay "ON" to lessen the effects of being shut down, as user may notice changes caused by a relative decline in testosterone: TRT is employed to avoid fewer erections, fatigue, thinning skin, declining muscle mass and strength, more body fat. Dissatisfaction with these changes causes some users to lose appetite, and most gains made during their cycle.Most of all, TRT/cruise is utilized to help keep that healthy state of well-being while giving their body a rest between cycles/blasts..

    Masteron has used as an anti-estrogen for great reason goes to suggest quite a lot about some properties Masteron possesses. Masteron is a derivative of DHT (dihydrotestosterone) and does not convert to estrogen through means of aromatisation. It is thought that the anti-estrogenic properties of Masteron may be in part to do with either an inhibition in some way of the aromatase enzyme or an interaction with estrogen itself in a way which blocks receptor binding of the estrogen. Either way, this would put Masteron as a useful tool for the AAS user and specifically for those that cruise on low "T" doses who wish to inhibit the conversion of T to estrogen. By inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, Masteron would be in effect blocking the conversion of free testosterone to estrogen by the aromatisation pathway Yielding great levels of Free usable test). This would not only serve to marginally increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation (thus giving a greater effect of the testosterone during a TRT treatment or cruise)..Most TRT users report almost no need for AI's during this treatment with Low to moderate Testosterone ran concurrently with Masteron. Average Testosterone Enanthate doses are anywhere from 125mgs to 250mgs weekly, with just 200mgs a week of Masteron creating a match made in heaven, a complimentary duo!




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    Thanks, I am going to copy this Masteron and Proviron Post over to the Testosterone replacement Therapy forum . Appreciate the solid information
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    Also, I challenge anyone to try this protocol with the lab of your choice.. You own it to yourself guys, just try it once and pull bloods.. do pre bloods for a base reading and than pull bloods about 6-8 weeks out and look and the significant change..
    You will feel at your very best and the beauty is, you don't need much test, you can "hack" you gear and make it shine for YOU... You owe it to yourself guys...

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    I am going to try this. It sounds awesome. I am also interested in seeing what happens when you add Primobolan to TRT. Has anyone done this?
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    Okay, I have some questions about this:

    What day did you take the 200mg, and when after did you have blood drawn? I've had numerous tests where I've had blood drawn the day after a shot, and the levels were sky high which made the doc want to reduce the amount I was taking. I'm still trying to figure out: do you draw blood half way into it, say 4 days, or do you wait until the end which is the day before you're due to take another shot--I think they call that the trough.

    For the masteron E and proviron, what was the dosage of each, and did you take it with the testosterone at the same time?

    I find this intriguing because if these are common general results for anyone doing the same thing, it may be a good protocol to educate doctors who give TRT. Every one of the doctors I've seen except one where I live give you the testosterone and that's it. I've asked them about combatting the estrogen conversion, and they don't care.
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    Curious about bigz's question myself. I'd really like to try this myself.

    Also, what might a typical blast look like for you?
     

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    Ok - I reread and see it's 200mg each every 7 days, and proviron daily @50g. Why the proviron though? Isn't this redundant?
     

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    Iím gonna try this fo sho


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    Quote Originally Posted by BigZ View Post
    Okay, I have some questions about this:

    What day did you take the 200mg, and when after did you have blood drawn? I've had numerous tests where I've had blood drawn the day after a shot, and the levels were sky high which made the doc want to reduce the amount I was taking. I'm still trying to figure out: do you draw blood half way into it, say 4 days, or do you wait until the end which is the day before you're due to take another shot--I think they call that the trough.

    For the masteron E and proviron, what was the dosage of each, and did you take it with the testosterone at the same time?

    I find this intriguing because if these are common general results for anyone doing the same thing, it may be a good protocol to educate doctors who give TRT. Every one of the doctors I've seen except one where I live give you the testosterone and that's it. I've asked them about combatting the estrogen conversion, and they don't care.
    My doc wants me to pull my bloods the morning of my shot, fasted, PRE-shot. So on Test E, which I shoot Wednesday and Saturday morning, I can only get tested Wednesday mornings because itís the only day the labs are open. Plus that provides the biggest gap between shot and blood work, so my test levels have another day to metabolize.


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