Anyone watch this documentary yet??
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CH3NO2
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Metal85
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When people can make as much collecting government money as they can busting their dick 40 hours a week guess what they will do?
Is that not a huge issue right now?
And I know you will take that conversation into 'well the government shouldn't have welfare etc' but that would be a whole other issue (that we can't change right now and it is there set in place). It would take years. They'd have to wean it down rather than cut it off cold turkey style or there would be mass riots. Having said that I did not say I agree there should be riots, or that people should purposely be lazy to get govt pay to survive, but it's just simple fact.
I don't collect shit
I agree people should work, I also agree low and middle class wages are at a ridiculously low point.
I wish I could have lived in the 50's off 1 salary and have yearly vacations despite having only 1 person work, with a regular job, but it's useless,it will never be that way again. If there was no min wage people would commit much more crime, not because everyone is a scumbag, but if an engineer who did everything right gets laid off, and now can only get a shit job (NASA, reality) and makes 3 dollars an hour, and knows well I can steal or have my 3 and 7 year old starve, what do you think this once civilized individual will do to subsidize what he can no longer provide? I don't like that world.
The Dude
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Metal if you weren't so bent on supporting. Liberal agendas and actually looked at the economy and state of our union, you would be blinded by the irreparable damage that the liberals / socialists / Communists. This country was built on certain rules that are inherent basic fundamentals of a prospering society.
Call yourself what you want, but in this world it is survival of the fittest. That's how we evolve and progress. When the Govt takes from people (this includes minimum wage adj) it weakens the natural order. Some people don't cut it. If it's someone that you want to take care if then do it. It's not my job and it isn't the Govts right to take my money and fund the lesser of society . They then proliferate at an astounding rate and outbreed the producers. Welcome to America.
1. According to the Dept of Labor Statistics May 1 report. 20% of American families have NO WORKING FAMILY MEMBERS! None in the whole family!! So the family were mom had to take a job washing dishes and dad still doesn't have a job aren't even taken into account, but we have a president that brazenly says that we have a 6% unemployment rate.
2. He then says - no need to investigate the IRS attacking groups that have Conservative political views. Talk about unapologetic abuse of power!
3. Also drop that Benghazi thing "it's over a year ago" forget the political posturing lead to the deaths of how many Americans and American ambassador!!
These are the people who's political views you support??!
Come on man. Wake up. You could learn a lot from CH3N02. He knows his shit
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Call yourself what you want, but in this world it is survival of the fittest. That's how we evolve and progress. When the Govt takes from people (this includes minimum wage adj) it weakens the natural order. Some people don't cut it. If it's someone that you want to take care if then do it. It's not my job and it isn't the Govts right to take my money and fund the lesser of society . They then proliferate at an astounding rate and outbreed the producers. Welcome to America.
1. According to the Dept of Labor Statistics May 1 report. 20% of American families have NO WORKING FAMILY MEMBERS! None in the whole family!! So the family were mom had to take a job washing dishes and dad still doesn't have a job aren't even taken into account, but we have a president that brazenly says that we have a 6% unemployment rate.
2. He then says - no need to investigate the IRS attacking groups that have Conservative political views. Talk about unapologetic abuse of power!
3. Also drop that Benghazi thing "it's over a year ago" forget the political posturing lead to the deaths of how many Americans and American ambassador!!
These are the people who's political views you support??!
Come on man. Wake up. You could learn a lot from CH3N02. He knows his shit
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The Dude
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It's easy to promote some near sighted bullshit ideal to a bunch of dependent retards that gobble up everything their government serves them like the food they purchase on their EBT cards.
Those of us that work, that know and respect the founding principles of this country, and aren't milking the Govt teet see bullshit long before it is placed in front of our noses. It just stinks.
Go into a hood and see how many brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, etc you find.... They are like cockroaches. They are prolific breeders supported by a federal government that wants them to multiply for the simple fact that they have voting powers and they don't want the EBT to stop. It's so obvious man. It disgusts me. Our Government is a failure. Now it is an Obamanation. No one respects us. We are a global punch line. But the libtards preach on. And the cockroaches follow with their EBT cards in hand. Hoping that Obama makes flipping hamburgers "wort some a dat mo good money".
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Those of us that work, that know and respect the founding principles of this country, and aren't milking the Govt teet see bullshit long before it is placed in front of our noses. It just stinks.
Go into a hood and see how many brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, etc you find.... They are like cockroaches. They are prolific breeders supported by a federal government that wants them to multiply for the simple fact that they have voting powers and they don't want the EBT to stop. It's so obvious man. It disgusts me. Our Government is a failure. Now it is an Obamanation. No one respects us. We are a global punch line. But the libtards preach on. And the cockroaches follow with their EBT cards in hand. Hoping that Obama makes flipping hamburgers "wort some a dat mo good money".
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The Dude
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No.... If we weren't funding half of the country, then we would have substantially lower taxes or more Government projects paying high worth citizens for their expertise. It ain't complicated. They want to riot. Go for it. Why should the population suffer because the worthless failures at a basic Darwin level think they deserve more??? That's the problem. Man up. Do it. Stop fucking around. It's broken. Fix it. If they want to riot, we can use some of the outrageous surplus to pay more law abiding Law Enforcement Officers. The threat of criminal action is not EVER an acceptable reason to not do what is right. The Left have pushed as long and hard as they could saying otherwise. They, like most politicians, need to be booted and forced to find a real job. Choose your massacre man. It's coming.
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Amazing. If we can not agree that the adjusted purchasing power of the dollar has diminished in the last4 decades then I think we are lost. The average house hold income in 1968 was about 7000. The average house price was about 12000$ or a little less than 2x HHI income. Today's HHI is about 48K$. The average home price just before the 2007 crash was 300K or 6x HHI. There are a lot of forces at work here. Personally the single most beneficial thing we could do right now is have a referendum vote to publicly fund all elections. Get the money out of politics.
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This is exactly why I removed the "Donald Sterling" thread, lol, plus I couldn't take the Liberal Posts in that thread, they made me wanna puke!
Everyone has a right to their opinion, be it leftist or to the right! However in my experience most on the left can't articulate a real debate, at least no more then talking points they heard on msnbc lmao, anyhow, please keep this post civil guys!
Everyone has a right to their opinion, be it leftist or to the right! However in my experience most on the left can't articulate a real debate, at least no more then talking points they heard on msnbc lmao, anyhow, please keep this post civil guys!
Metal85
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The funny thing is every single super right wing person always takes what I say, twists it into something completely different and than says how I am wrong. I will say man I enjoyed that cheeseburger and someone will tell me how french fries were ruined.
Dude- I already stated that I do not collect anything, I bust my ass, always, I stated that there would be riots, and by stating that, it does not mean I support, knowing for a fact that it would be spun around to I agree with this shit, as well as I said the govt shouldn't be supporting everyone but they do, I preemptively stated I didn't agree with it knowing again, for a fact it would be spun around. FUNNY thing is it still was.
I don't care what you guys think, it's ridiculously expensive to live, and further more to create a future.
ANOTHER FACT, NOT BIASED SHIT
2003 I paid right around $42.00 per credit hour.
2014 I just paid $108.00 per credit hour.
What does that mean, that I am a communist bc I stated the fact of how ridiculously this has gotten out of control.
Anyone who calls me a communist is a Fascist, how about that? We can just throw shit like that around seeing as we all know each other so well.
Anyone who has to spin the facts of what I put into a political debacle is blinded by rage.
I went through a very intense program, did everything I was supposed to to have a good career, the bottom fell out, and now I again find myself in front of a looming certainty of a very difficult time, and on top of that in the last decade Education costs just in Credits alone has gone up 257% yeah I know I am a communist bc I said a percentage, and I hate being fucked like this. Get real.
Dude- I already stated that I do not collect anything, I bust my ass, always, I stated that there would be riots, and by stating that, it does not mean I support, knowing for a fact that it would be spun around to I agree with this shit, as well as I said the govt shouldn't be supporting everyone but they do, I preemptively stated I didn't agree with it knowing again, for a fact it would be spun around. FUNNY thing is it still was.
I don't care what you guys think, it's ridiculously expensive to live, and further more to create a future.
ANOTHER FACT, NOT BIASED SHIT
2003 I paid right around $42.00 per credit hour.
2014 I just paid $108.00 per credit hour.
What does that mean, that I am a communist bc I stated the fact of how ridiculously this has gotten out of control.
Anyone who calls me a communist is a Fascist, how about that? We can just throw shit like that around seeing as we all know each other so well.
Anyone who has to spin the facts of what I put into a political debacle is blinded by rage.
I went through a very intense program, did everything I was supposed to to have a good career, the bottom fell out, and now I again find myself in front of a looming certainty of a very difficult time, and on top of that in the last decade Education costs just in Credits alone has gone up 257% yeah I know I am a communist bc I said a percentage, and I hate being fucked like this. Get real.
lol, geeeesh! Calm Down brutha, lol, I didn't read everyones posts so I don't know, maybe you have a right to be pissed off at something someone said to you, lol,
I am just asking that everyone keep this thread civil! lol, and I don't care that you'r a Bleeding Heart Liberal , I don't understand it, but its your business brutha!
So everyone pipe down dammit! lol
Metal85
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It's also funny how trendy you guys are, as soon as Min wage shouldn't be here pops in the media, it had to be thrown into a conversation lol I can absolutley watch certain channels to predict the opinions of a few on here. It's used globally, but you guys have a way better Idea. That doesn't sound too ridiculous.
Again I stated a fact of a cost comparison
You guys know how to save the universe, if only they listened to you.
The Countries that don't all have a technical Minimum wage still (almost all) have other things such as monthly or Annual minimums and the ones that have nothing, well they are just outstanding models for society lol.
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Haha that wasn't to you bro, and I agree, I am not trying to sway opinions, esp politically, everyone has there own believes and I know these people here aren't idiots, we just disagree. I just hate when people put words in my mouth bro.
Again I stated a fact of a cost comparison
You guys know how to save the universe, if only they listened to you.
The Countries that don't all have a technical Minimum wage still (almost all) have other things such as monthly or Annual minimums and the ones that have nothing, well they are just outstanding models for society lol.
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Haha that wasn't to you bro, and I agree, I am not trying to sway opinions, esp politically, everyone has there own believes and I know these people here aren't idiots, we just disagree. I just hate when people put words in my mouth bro.
, yeah i finally read everything through and yeah your point was kind of manipulated lets call it lol, anyhow, its all good bro!
Metal85
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haha ok this is simplified, with the only thing in here I was trying to state
1)My car comparison means you have to earn 166% of what you used to for that status of car
2)In the last decade College Credits have gone up 257% in price
It is in fact more difficult to obtain these things now if you, like me have to pay out of pocket.
1)My car comparison means you have to earn 166% of what you used to for that status of car
2)In the last decade College Credits have gone up 257% in price
It is in fact more difficult to obtain these things now if you, like me have to pay out of pocket.
Millennial Monster
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So who won the debate?
Metal85
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lol it wasn't meant to be a debate.
If you feel that education is an integral asset for our future generations to have, these facts that I posted Should upset you.
When costs have risen like they have, and will continue, at a rate that regular individuals can't keep up with, they will either be completely discouraged to go to school, or take out an astronomical loan out that they can't pay back, either way is not good. Now I know Ch3no will debate how this Country could be better even with no education, but he would also debate the font on this page in not only Not Black, but the socialists ruined ariel font, as well as new times roman font. Bastards.
If you feel that education is an integral asset for our future generations to have, these facts that I posted Should upset you.
When costs have risen like they have, and will continue, at a rate that regular individuals can't keep up with, they will either be completely discouraged to go to school, or take out an astronomical loan out that they can't pay back, either way is not good. Now I know Ch3no will debate how this Country could be better even with no education, but he would also debate the font on this page in not only Not Black, but the socialists ruined ariel font, as well as new times roman font. Bastards.
The Dude
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Bro I know you don't collect anything. When I post things please don't take it as a personal attack. You are 100% more educated than your average liberal so my mouth just pukes up what I've been building up for months.
you are intelligent, working class, and a spine. I can work with that. Your points are always so specific and because of that you fail to see the big picture. All this piece meal Government crap is what got us here. The Libs love to look at one tiny thing, get people all worked up about it, and then pass stupid legislation which just adds to the problem.
At some point you will open your eyes and see the BIG PICTURE. What the Libs don't want you to see. Everything Obama has done has been a monumental failure, but look at how the Dems support him. The refuse to participate when the Republicans call for impartial investigations into IRS curruption. Blatant corruption Bro!!! Think of what they could do to you!! And it's the WHOLE PARTY! Instead he wants to talk about paying burger flippers a couple bucks an hour more.... Make a list of all the really fucked up stuff going on and look who is unwaveringly supporting it
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Metal85
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The thing is I'm not a part of either party, I can see a lot of things, I wanted this president to work, and he hasn't. He failed. I appreciate what you said with certain things. When I did this comparison it was not bc I heard or saw something on tv, it was merely something that I wanted to find out, and share after I saw the results.
The things that get me worked up sometimes that may make me appear to be a dem, is when people compare one shitty president, with another shitty president. To me arguments like that are similar to "well this wasp sting sucks, but because the bee sting was far worse, I like the wasp" That would be an analogy for Obama, and GW. I don't feel I have benefited from either of them. Class and Party wars have been so bad following these two. The debt has steadily climbed upwards. Nothing I need has been easier to achieve.
I appreciate what you said bc it really feels sometimes that people think I am some lazy guy that doesn't contribute to society when in fact I
* Built a 4 bedroom house at 22 years old, that I still live in and has been taxed and all payments have been made
* I have had 14 vehicles that all have been taxed and all but one (current truck) has been paid off
* I have done a lot of schooling, and going back for more despite everything in my way to make it so much more difficult
* I have had almost 11 years in health care for the community, I have pumped on people's chests, I have dealt with trauma's, I have done cardiac cath procedures where a wire is in someone's heart with an active heart attack, I have done diagnostics for hundreds of Operating room cases, I have dealt with new borns to people over 100 and everything in between.
So having that be known, I do not feel like I am special, I chose to do these things, but when things are targeted to me the way they have been, I do get pissed off, way too quickly, and yes it's bad but I didn't mean for this to be a debate, just sharing a documentary I saw, and also a little part of research I did well before ever seeing this document, on my own accord.
I can see a lot of different things from both sides that are ridiculous. I could mention one RT sided thing of recent that a lot of people backed, which was someone trying to evade taxation successfully. That's fucked up, you and I pay taxes so why someone feels they can make a living without tax just because they have been in one area for a long duration is ludicrous to me.
We could literally start a whole new section to see each others opinions on politics.
The difference I see is I like to ask questions and study why people feel the way they do, and maybe be inspired from different points of view. Ch3no, from what I have seen is very stuck and anchored in an unwavering opinion, which means despite influence of a cause he couldn't be swayed despite an outcome.
Anyways it's funny that we all speak like this and in the mean time planet fitness thinks we grunt to each other.
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