thanx everyone
and your all right about how hard nutrition is
ive only completed one proper cycle and getiin the right juice is easy with all the nfo from great boards like this, training five times a week, even bangin a pin in your arse twice a week is simple but nothin prepares u for having to give up your life so that u can down 4k cal and drink a gallon of water e d.
anyone considering there first cycle would do well to take this on board first,
once again cheers for the nfo lads.