making test suspension.

[TONY1979]

whats needed and how is test suspension made.? its water based testosterone.

[midwtchamp]

go the muscle chem lab conversion forum or pm harvey the local mad chemist

[GEA]

Microcrystalise if not in this form already. You can micro your Test Base with a $10 coffee grinder. Use Bact water for your vehicle.

GE/Brightstar

[LabRat]

Painless
10g. 100mg/ml

Recipy:

10ml BA
70ml Peg
10ml BB
10g The powder

1.Measure
2.Mix
3.Heat
4.Filter
5.Cool

Youll have to heat it up past base's melting point to keep it clear and in solution.

[Jonny English]

Originally posted by DangerousGround
Painless
10g. 100mg/ml

Recipy:

10ml BA
70ml Peg
10ml BB
10g The powder

1.Measure
2.Mix
3.Heat
4.Filter
5.Cool

Youll have to heat it up past base's melting point to keep it clear and in solution.

Ive seen this before,... but you forgot to give the auther credit!

[LabRat]

I had it pasted and saved in drafts bro, not sure who author was been saved for some time for faq material.

I did not know there was a patent on it sorry if I never gave you credit who are ya?
Harv?
if so thanks I personally never did this myself did all oil conversions some I wrote some I look up to help others on conversions I have not done and this is one of em.

[prot]

so does this mean the test suspension crystalizes and you have to heat it up everytime you want to do injection or does it stay in solution... And if it does stay in solution, for how long?? Im looking to keep it in solution forever lol...

[LabRat]

no it should not crystalize after brewing, maybe a little around spectrum

[freakyferg]

would this same conversion work if i used half of everything.
35ml peg
5ml ba
5ml bb
5 g powder

[LabRat]

sure

[freakyferg]

i just finished and it came out good, almost too good? When finished should the final product be clear? or what does it usually look like?

[prot]

Originally posted by DangerousGround
no it should not crystalize after brewing, maybe a little around spectrum

i asked because ive tried a few times, and crystalized on me... i mix the bb, ba, peg, powder all in one 150ml vial. i vent the top and set in an oil bath at 180C for several minutes until it is clear as water. i take it off the heat, filter, and about 3 hours later it crystalizes on me.

what am i doing wrong????

im going to grind up 20g or so in coffee grinder and see if that works?? , the powder is bp93 micronized already
i have a feeling it will work after i grind it up :>)

[freakyferg]

Try heating it for 20 minutes at 275 degrees. I did 35 ml of PEG and 5ml bb 5ml ba mixed it then added 5g of powder, and cooked for 20 mins. I let it set and cool and it is still good today.

[prot]

ok I did everything correctly and it stayed in solution for only 2 days... now its all crystalized again!!

i guess ill try oil instead of the peg, but you would think the peg would work better!

[thompson]

Maybe you should just add some BA, but I dont see why it wouldnt work with the PEG. Winstrol is the hardest to suspend and mine is still crystal clear at 95mg/cc. How many mg/ml are you shootin for? Ive gotten everything Ive tried to suspend.

[prot]

OK, it dont work, It must be shit powder or something. I tried it in supersolvent and still didnt work!! Im having much easier time getting winny to work and everything else aswell!
I tried about 20 different times and wasted 200grams atleast... I was only trying for 100mg/cc which isn't high by any means and I played with the ba, bb levels to no avail... ah well :(

the powder melting point test checks out perfectly so I think its good to go but who knows now, I thing suspension is a lost cause for me now... I will be getting some more S from another source soon and will try that powder..

[strider]

Sad! I have made test susp, much like auquaviron and it is still seperate also. I had to shake well before using. made me blow up like dynamite! If it is the micronized then it will pass through syringe and not be so bad.
I can believe you wasted it like that, it was just fine, test susp is not one of those things that dissolves all the way in the solution. It takes pressure and heat also the right mix of solvents and co solvents at the time.
remember that test is not water soluable so PEG wont help it soluablize, BB is a co-solvent so it wont either right away, but BA is a solvent so it will turn clear if its just ba and test powder, but you cannot just do that.
If there is a chance that it will be screwed up then dont waste your time with the amount you wasted it would have been cheaper to buy pre-made.
Stanzanol is a different base powder and can be dissolved without much effort, I have even dissolved it in hot water..lol
Its not a lost cause if you used proper precautions and the right formula, then shake before use and give it a try bro, dont waste it or find a guinea pig.
good luck.

[prot]

ok ill try one or two more times lol...
The only thing I havent tried is upping the ba to 10%, ive tried as high as 7% but not 10% yet, BB ive tried as high as 15%. So this time I will try ba at 10%, bb at 10%,(if that dont work then ill up bb to 15%) heat in a vented vial until clear. filter and let cool. Hopefully the higher amounts will help.

The other S that I threw out, I guess I should have saved and added more solvent. It was solid mass though bro, no way I can shake it up when it is solid hehe...

[Sturge]

Originally posted by DangerousGround
Painless
10g. 100mg/ml

Recipy:

10ml BA
70ml Peg
10ml BB
10g The powder

1.Measure
2.Mix
3.Heat
4.Filter
5.Cool

Youll have to heat it up past base's melting point to keep it clear and in solution.


Not to knock the recipe, but I fail to see how 10% BA in ANY solution would be "painless".

Has anyone here actually followed this recipe and used the end product? I'd love to hear the results.

[Mr Olympia]

Go with an oil conversion, trust me, only 1xDay injections required, instead of 2xDay.

[LabRat]

this is why I don't make suspension and prefer prop.

I have never converted suspension and sorry if recipe did not work it was from a well know kitchen alchemist.

[Jonny English]

Originally posted by Sturge
Not to knock the recipe, but I fail to see how 10% BA in ANY solution would be "painless".

Has anyone here actually followed this recipe and used the end product? I'd love to hear the results.

FYI Most reg suspension has 10-15% BA in them!

[LabRat]

I have never had painless suspension.

[Sturge]

Okey dokey..I've got some in the mix right now. Gonna see if it holds true in the PEG without dropping out. If so...I'll give it a shot and see if I can still walk.

[Sturge]

Okay, I used the above recipe (10g t base, 10ml ba, 10ml bb, 70mg PEG), heated until clear. Let set overnight, and it was solid this morning. Bummer...

[prot]

see what i mean bro.... it dont work for some reason... even with the supersolvent it still didnt work for me.

I have a hard time with cyp aswell, it never wants to go clear, it just stays cloudy when I heat it up and wont go clear. Ive tried that one many many times aswell. I will try supersolvent on the cyp and see if it works. The supersolvent worked for prop perfectly.

[Geebee]

I'd like to make testosterone suspension too. I have found powders in a list but I don't know which one I should use. Could you tell me if I can use :
* test base BP 98
*test methyl base or propionate
*17a methyl 1-test
Thanks
Geebee

[Flexmaster]

i would use test base

[Geebee]

But what means "BP 98"?
What is the use of test methyl base ?

[Flexmaster]

i can't remember what "BP 98" means...i think it's the purity.

methyl test is another form of testosterone, it has pretty harsh side effects.

[Geebee]

which side-effects ? some peculiar ones ore the same as usual but more pronounced ?

[xsnrg]

Originally posted by Geebee
But what means "BP 98"?
What is the use of test methyl base ?

British Pharmacopoeia

[TomESights]

Guys I have been experimenting with test base also with no such luck yet. With the Peg recipes I can get it to hold for a day or two. Tried 75mgs per ml in oil with 5% BA and 15% BB and that dropped out of solution right after it cooled, plugged up my damn filter. Now I read somewhere if you mix methylcellulose with your test base it will hold easily in oil. The only thing I need to find out is what percentage do you mix the cellulose with the base powder? Thanks for any input.

[strider]

everybody wants painless test susp truth is there isnt one unless its in oil and the release time is not known oil will stay around for a while so your getting maybe out of 100mgs day1 25mgs, day 2 50mgs and so on and so forth its unknown.
i tried oil and never had the same effects with water based susp.
do bact water sterile in a vial add the test base you need and shake, if it settles just shake before use.
the powder should be the constincy of flour bro.

I have done my own this way and the pain is minimal to prop maybe im just used to it though.

[Flexmaster]

geebee & Tom: like strider said, test suspension is not going to be painless. you will pretty much just have to put up with the discomfort while using it. also, a suspension is just that, there's a difference between a solution and a suspension. a solution is what you make with cyp, enanth, prop, deca, eq...ect. but stuff like winny and test suspension are only SUSPENDED in the carrier. they are very hard to get into a solution, and almost not even worth trying, just shake it up and inject.

[strider]

NO PAIN NO GAIN!! lol

testosterone is actually non water soluble.
yes suspension is micrystalline powder suspended in a water and ba solution. the ba is minor and its mostly the cystals that cause muscle discomfort.

in oil is actually not a bad idea but like i stated the release time are unknown and kinda defeats what the suspension was designed for or lets say used for.

[chem_kid]

what is the matter with all of you! test suspension in WATER is the way to go! good old fashioned suspension! take the damn powder (3g), .2g methylcellulose, mix with 27ml .9%bacteriostatic water, 1ml BA, 1ml Propylene Glycol, .25ml lecitin, .1ml surfactant (non toxic liquid soap!), and you will have a kickass product that will pass through a 25g pin like nothing! the methylcellulose, lecitin, and pg work to keep the test suspended in the water for a reasonable amount of time so separation will not occur in the needle or while even draining! The surfactant prevents the syringe from getting stuck in the middle of the shot. The surfactant will not hurt you with that amount - trust me. oh when everything is mixed up beat with an electric mixer - literally! Then heat everything very slowly to just under 210F for 5 min or so to sterilize then add the BA after cooling down to 100F do you won't end up boiling it off from the hot solution.

[Cordoba]

Originally posted by Geebee
But what means "BP 98"?
What is the use of test methyl base ?

xsnrg is correct it means British Pharmacopoeia, I belive the 98 stands for 1998. The year that standard was set by British Pharmacopoeia.