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    Default Trenbolone Cycle Information.Trenbolone Acetate / Trenbolone Enanthate

    Trenbolone Cycle Information.Trenbolone Acetate / Trenbolone Enanthate

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    Trenbolone Information

    Pharmaceutical Name: Trenbolone Acetate / Trenbolone Enanthate / Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate / Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate

    Common Brand/Trade/Slang Names: Tren, Fina, Para, Trenbolone
    Chemical Structure: 17β-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one
    Delivery Method: Injectable
    Half Life: Ester dependant:

    Trenbolone Acetate ~1 day
    Trenbolone Enanthate, Hexahydrobenzlycarbonate, Cyclohexylmethylcarbonate - 5-6 days

    Typical Vial doses: Normal range 67mg/ml to 250mg/ml

    Background

    Trenbolone is a very powerful steroid that has never been FDA approved for use in humans. It was originally developed as finaplex pellets for use as a vetinary product to be put under the skin of cattle. However over time bodybuilders have realised its unique properties and powerful benefits and it has become a favourite anabolic steroid for many, despite having more harsh side effects than most other steroids. Many people would convert the pellets into an injectable form, in a rather crude and dangerous manner that would neither be safe nor sterile, and poses many risks. However, despite being non-approved by the FDA, there are a number of respectable Underground Labs (UGLs) that produce quality injectable forms of trenbolone. For the user who understandably likes to stick to pharmaceutical grade steroids, unfortunately there is no such form of trenbolone available.

    Trenbolone is a highly androgenic steroid, with binding to the Androgen Receptor (AR) in the region of three times as high as testosterone. It does not aromatise and so is not subject to estrogenic side effects. In addition to high androgenicity, it is also extremely anabolic too, thus is very good at building muscle mass, and retaining muscle mass in a calorie deficient mode. It is also thought that trenbolone inhibits cortisol production directly through the glucocorticoid receptors. Trenbolone is often found to be a body transforming drug, and also can aid a little in fat loss. This may be due to the very strong binding of trenbolone to the AR, which has been postulated to be one mechanism that results in the activation of fat loss pathways, possible through direct binding to fat cells' ARs. This makes trenbolone a favourite among bodybuilders for cutting, and in addition to these benefits, trenbolone usually results in large increases in strength due to its high androgenic effects.

    Trenbolone although not converted to estrogen, does have progesteronic effects, which will be discussed further in the side effects section of this article.

    Suggested Cycles / Uses

    Typically today underground labs produce trenbolone acetate as 75g/ml or 100mg/ml. It is often recommended first-time users of trenbolone to use the faster acting acetate in case the side effects become too much for the user, they can then come off of the steroid very quickly and it is out of the system much quicker than, for example, the enanthate ester. For the novice user, 75mg or 100mg every other day (eod) is advised, however due to the acetate ester being even shorter than a propionate ester and the half life 1 day or less, to both reduce sides and aid gains, it is advisable that the user (if they can bear every day injections) injects trenbolone acetate every day (ed), at 37.5-50mg ed.

    More advanced users may find that taking the trenbolone to amounts over 500mg per week has very desirable effects on strength and body composition, however note that the side effects will also increase with the increase in dose. Due to the negative effect that trenbolone has on libido, it is not generally recommended to take trenbolone without testosterone. However, one can take trenbolone for short periods without testosterone and introduce an aid such as Proviron (metsterolone) to help with the libido issues, along with proper extensive post cycle therapy (PCT) for recovery. A typical test-free cycle with trenbolone may include something like 600mg Primobolan per week, 400mg trenbolone enanthate per week, for 10 weeks, PCT starting 2 weeks after last injections. The enanthate ester and other similar esters of trenbolone can be injected twice per week. Below are some example cycles using trenbolone:

    Novice:

    Testosterone propionate 100-150mg eod, 6-8weeks
    Trenbolone acetate 75-100mg eod, 6-8 weeks, PCT 4 days after last prop injection.
    Insulin-like growth factor-1 LongR3 30mcgs ed, 6-8 weeks

    Intermediate:

    Testosterone enanthate 750mg per week, weeks 1-12
    Insulin-like growth factor-1 LongR3 50mcgs ed, weeks 1-12
    Trenbolone enanthate 400mg per week, weeks 1-12
    Winstrol 50mg ed weeks, 8-14

    Primobolan 600mg per week, weeks 1-10
    Testosterone propionate 200mg eod weeks 1-12
    Trenbolone enanthate 400mg per week, weeks 1-10

    Advanced:

    Insulin-like growth factor-1 LongR3 80mcgs ed, weeks 1-14
    Primobolan 600mg per week, weeks 1-10
    Trenbolone enanthate 400mg per week, weeks 1-10
    Testosterone enanthate 1000mg per week, weeks 1-12
    Trenbolone enanthate 500-700mg per week, weeks 1-12
    Anavar 80-100mg ed, weeks 1-14

    Very advanced/pre-contest:

    Testosterone propionate 100-200mg ed
    Trenbolone acetate 75-100mg ed
    Masteron 400-600mg per week
    Winstrol 50mg ed
    Insulin-like growth factor-1 LongR3 120mcgs ed
    Primobolan 600mg per week
    Halotestin 10-20mg ed

    Common Side effects

    Out of all the injectable steroids available, trenbolone is the one that should be used with extreme caution and only after plenty of research into its side effects and common cycles have been carried out. Trenbolone side effects can be very bad to many users, so much so that they will not use it despite its very positive effects on the body and strength. Firstly, as trenbolone is so androgenic, all side effects that are seen with strong androgens can be expected (if prone) with trenbolone. If one is prone to male pattern baldness (MPB) than trenbolone will likely speed this up. Some users find acne on trenbolone worse than when on any other steroid. Certainly Trenbolone is not recommended for female users due to its strong androgenic properties and the common side effects that manifest themselves in females who use strong androgens.

    Despite the fact that trenbolone cannot aromatise, due to the progesterone route it can cause things like gynecomastia, but this will only really happen in the presence of estrogen. This does happen though in many users, as trenbolone is usually stacked with a testosterone, which obviously can and will convert to estrogen. Gynecomastia from trenbolone can be quite bad many will find, however if you do not suffer from this than other estrogenic side effects should not be of worry, as trenbolone does not cause any water retention or similar, but in fact often gives a hardened look and feel to the muscles.

    Trenbolone also seems to give many users poor sleep patterns and insomnia. In addition, it can cause severe sweating in many, both during the night time and also just from doing the smallest of activities such as walking up stairs, etc. It also can impair to a certain degree, cardiovascular function, which means that it is not ideal for use in those who regular partake in such sports or activity that require a decent level of cardiovascular fitness.

    Trenbolone also increases blood pressure in many users, some to such a degree that they have to cease using it. Thus it is recommended that one who wishes to use trenbolone, invests in a blood pressure monitor so they can regularly measure their blood pressure and keep an eye on it throughout the cycle.

    Many people claim that trenbolone has a negative effect on the kidneys. There are many of these claims certainly across the Internet since its use has become more widespread. However, there is no real evidence for these claims, and certainly I have seen many long-term users of trenbolone have kidney function tests that are well within the normal range. Perhaps the reason for this theory is the fact that when using trenbolone, many find that their urine can become a much darker more orange-brown colour. However, this is due to the fact that trenbolone undergoes very little modification or breakdown and is excreted as a rust-coloured oxidised form in the urine. In addition to this, any damage to kidney may not even be directly due to the trenbolone, but more to do with the increased sweating and water loss from excessive body heat whilst on trenbolone, without the sufficient addition of water intake. Thus it is recommended if running trenbolone to keep the water intake high.

    As trenbolone is such a strong steroid, it is very harsh on the HTPA axis and will shut down the body's natural testosterone production very easily and, for many, very harshly. It is comparable to 'deca dick' that people can experience with deca, and longer cycles may need to include the use of HCG to restore one's own natural production of testosterone. Recovery from cycles containing trenbolone is not easy, and requires a very well thought out and stringent PCT routine and diet.

    It has also been suggested through research that trenbolone actually (although aiding slightly in fat loss) reduces endogenous T3 levels. Thus some advocate the use of 25mcg T3 throughout a trenbolone cycle. This writer does not personally think that this is necessary; however it is something that users may wish to consider when using trenbolone, especially if their natural T3 production is on the lower side of the normal range. It is a very good idea to get blood work done both before and after any cycle including trenbolone.

    Tren cough

    The so called 'tren cough' or 'Fina cough' is well known amongst many tren users. Some users seem to get the cough following every injection; others never or extremely rarely will get the cough. Usually it is manifested upon injection, with a tightness in the chest, and a metallic taste in the back of the mouth, followed by an uncontrollable violent cough which can be quite frightening, as anyone who has experienced it will tell you, whether it's for the first time or not. There have been some very elaborate theories about the reasons for getting the cough from trenbolone, some of which have had mechanisms involving molecules that only trenbolone affects resulting in bronchioconstriction, etc. However, the fact remains that many users have also experienced the same cough from steroids such as equipoise and testosterone cypionate. In addition, these mechanisms that are proposed are highly unlikely to occur immediately upon injection, as that is too fast a timescale for the proposed mechanism. Thus it must be the result of something entering the blood stream and traveling to the lungs for the cough to be manifested that quickly.

    This leads us onto the next theory suggested by many which is that trenbolone is produced by many UGLs, and as such is made with higher percentages of Benzyl Alcohol (BA) than pharma grade products are, and it is the alcohol that is causing the reaction. The only problem with this theory is that trenbolone is made by most UGLs with the same BA percentages as things such as testosterone propionate, and nandrolone decanoate. If it was purely the BA concentration, than we would expect to see the cough with these other products as well, which we do not. Thus, as we have eliminated the oil, solvents and carriers, it leaves us with the Trenbolone product itself as the potential culprit.

    One thing that you notice about trenbolone is that it is often a golden-brown / rust colour when in oil solution. If the hormone powder is refined to greater than 99.5% purity or so, then the colour of trenbolone in solution actually gives a very light golden colour, much like other testosterone products; however, refining the hormone to this level of purity is extremely difficult. This is why there is colour variation from batch to batch with different underground labs; something as small as 0.1% purity can affect the colour of the final product.

    As mentioned above when discussing kidney effects of trenbolone, the oxidised trenbolone is a rust colour – much like the colour seen of trenbolone in oil solution. What you also notice with steroids such as Equipoise and to a lesser degree, testosterone cypionate, is that these steroids too are hard to very highly refine and often a browny-rust colour, more so than products such as testosterone propionate, etc. It is very likely then that these oxidised particles get into the blood stream upon injection and this causes some sort of anaphylactic (allergic) reaction in the lungs as the particles react with the alveoli, perhaps. This seems to be confirmed by the fact that the darker the trenbolone is the more likely one is to get a cough (personal and general experience). The best way to try and avoid this is to firstly inject very slowly and not move the needle around after aspirating, and also mixing the trenbolone with another product such as test prop.
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    Great Read

    I love my Tren

    Never once suffered with the Tren coughs. Have read some crazy stories though
     

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    ive gotten tren cough but rarley .. i find that when i get tren caugh i usually need to back off on the doseage... im more comfortable takeing . 75 ml dosed at 150/ml which is about 112 mg a day and the half life is somthing like 8 hrs i believe... i also find for me that keeping the levels more constant helps to keep the sides at bay..... the first time i ran tren i pinned eod and at that i would get tren caugh quite frequently and with the lower dosages even. but when i found out the half life was 8 hrs i started pinning ed and havent really had any problems since aside from excessive sweating and sometimes no sleep but ive learned to deal with it...
     

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    as far as enanthte and other slow release esthers .. i would stay away from them until you know exactly how you will react and at what doasages...
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    good read!

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    Great Read,
    about to run Tren E for my June competition.
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    Trenbolone is king!

    Strength, muscle gain, aggression. It all comes quick. The bigger the dose the freakier your body will become. Great with any stack. For bulk or cut.
    Comments made by mrbigz are for entertainment only. Please respect rules and mrbigz. asking for sources. Results in the Dinga Ling .

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    yes

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    floating a good read

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    bump article

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    Great read, with spring on the way tren is the go to get big and stay lean steroid!

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    since a lot of you are gearing up for your Spring Bulk or Spring Cutting cycles, here is mine:


    Pressers Advanced pre-contest pre spring pussy getter...what?!

    Testosterone propionate 200mg eod
    Trenbolone acetate 75mg eod
    Winstrol 30mg ed
    IGF-1 Lr3 60mcgs daily



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    Also has anyone ever injected into their ass cheek tren ace and then had a burn run down your entire thigh, kind of feel like the tren missed the muscle and was flowing down the outside of my muscles down my leg, I know that wasnt the case, but thats exactly what it felt like, and it burnt like hell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Also has anyone ever injected into their ass cheek tren ace and then had a burn run down your entire thigh, kind of feel like the tren missed the muscle and was flowing down the outside of my muscles down my leg, I know that wasnt the case, but thats exactly what it felt like, and it burnt like hell

    I had this feeling on a quad pin with it Presser. I pinned 100mg tren ace and 100mg test prop in the outer quad and I felt a burning sensation run all the way down almost to my knee. Then where it stopped actually hurt for about 2 days in the lower right side of my quad. Very strange like something pooled down there.
     

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    The trenbolone train will firing up in 12 weeks and I can't wait! Trenbolone Ace, Testosterone Propionate and Winstrol to be exact. Maybe even some Masteron who knows I like to play it by ear.
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    Great article, but im a bit surprised by the part that says it has minimal impact on bodyfat....but is great for cutting. As cutting is basically bodyfat reduction, these 2 sentences seem contradictory....or is there a subtlety i am missing?
     

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    I'm about to be running some tren ace!!!

    Tren Ace @ 100mg eod
    Test Prop @ 100mg eod

    Trying to get some winny and t3 as well, but we will see how that goes.

    I'm doing this for 12 weeks. I think i'm gonna be in for a world of gains guys!!

    Here's my log if anyone wants to follow!

    http://www.musclechemistry.com/uploa...ate-shred.html
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    It's hard for me at the 10 week mark on tren it just seems to take the life out of me lol.
     

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    Tren Enth 200mg/400mg wk
    Sust 500mg wk
    Any where from 14 to 20 weeks. With the proper support supplements this is my favorite cycle. TREN is truly a nectar of the gods.
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    I like tren, but after 8-10weeks my temper is just.....evil. Provi helps a bit, but at a certain point, yeah.... the tren train is gonna plow over you!!!
     

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    yeah i cant use tren ace for more than 3-4 weeks now, and usually on average just 2 week intervals for me is plenty

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    Great thread love my tren
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masher59 View Post
    The trenbolone train will firing up in 12 weeks and I can't wait! Trenbolone Ace, Testosterone Propionate and Winstrol to be exact. Maybe even some Masteron who knows I like to play it by ear.
    This is the best cutting stack know to man, period!! Instead of Mast, you can also use DESOXY-T ACETATE.
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    If i end up liking Tren Ace, I want to give tren enanthate a try in the future. Sounds like a great ester to me!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudstrife1218 View Post
    If i end up liking Tren Ace, I want to give tren enanthate a try in the future. Sounds like a great ester to me!
    I like enth a LOT better than ace. Sides seem worse on ace - at least for me.
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    do you feel bloat on tren En?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloudstrife1218 View Post
    do you feel bloat on tren En?
    No, not at all.
     

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    No, not at all.
    Maybe i'll have to give it a go one of these times
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant View Post
    I like enth a LOT better than ace. Sides seem worse on ace - at least for me.
    no kidding, i usually hear and read the exact opposite, i prefer trenbolone acetate , and read absolute horror stories on trenbolone enanthate and how long it took for side effects to subsde due to it being your system a while, but hey if you dont have side from enanthate than hell it beats multiple injections of acetate lol

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    no kidding, i usually hear and read the exact opposite, i prefer trenbolone acetate , and read absolute horror stories on trenbolone enanthate and how long it took for side effects to subsde due to it being your system a while, but hey if you dont have side from enanthate than hell it beats multiple injections of acetate lol
    I did ace my first tren run because of thr wuick sides dissipation....but the sides SUUUUCKED. I mean punching holes in walls sucked.

    I loved how i felt on it (and i like being angry), so i figured i would try enth and just up my provi and xanax self dosing if necessary to counteract sides....but had none of the bad aggression sides i had with ace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant View Post
    I did ace my first tren run because of thr wuick sides dissipation....but the sides SUUUUCKED. I mean punching holes in walls sucked.

    I loved how i felt on it (and i like being angry), so i figured i would try enth and just up my provi and xanax self dosing if necessary to counteract sides....but had none of the bad aggression sides i had with ace.
    is that what were calling being an asshole these day? side effects lmao

    im just playing! and i know exactly what you mean unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revenant View Post
    I did ace my first tren run because of thr wuick sides dissipation....but the sides SUUUUCKED. I mean punching holes in walls sucked.

    I loved how i felt on it (and i like being angry), so i figured i would try enth and just up my provi and xanax self dosing if necessary to counteract sides....but had none of the bad aggression sides i had with ace.

    I have to ask. Are you sure your TE was legit?
     

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    I have to ask. Are you sure your TE was legit?
    Aye. I have cycled tren off and on for about 5 years using different suppliers. I get more angry, shorter fuse, impaired cardio, sqeats, trensomnia, etc, but none of that intense boiling over, super 'hulk smash' screaming at anyone, everyone always, pop a blood vessel reaction that ace gives me.
     

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    trenbolone acetate

    love it or leave it, its the best steroid ive ever used for sheer size, strength and just freaky muscle

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    Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masher59 View Post
    Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace Tren Ace
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    trenbolone acetate

    love it or leave it, its the best steroid ive ever used for sheer size, strength and just freaky muscle
    I am too angry a person generally for ace. Need the 'mellow' effects of enth. Lol

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    I prefer tren ace over tren e for bulk or cutting.only ran tren hex for 4 weeks at the end of a cycle.did not notice a difference between tren e and hex

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    i didnt notice a difference between trenbolone hex or tren acetate lol,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    i didnt notice a difference between trenbolone hex or tren acetate lol,
    I only ran one bottle at the end of a tren e cycle so I will try it again maybe a trip mix
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    Anyone find they get the tren cough more with any of the trenbolones? Acetate vs Enanthate versus trenbolone Hex

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    Loving the Tren E
     

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