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    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful
    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful


    anabolic/androgenic steroid (AAS) known. Bro-Science vernacular tells us that injecting Tren can lead to “Tren-Cough”- a variant cough reaction immediately following an intramuscular injection that can range from a simply irritating tickle in the throat to a violet cough spasm leading to the sensation of asphyxiation. I have had patients tell me that their loved ones called 911 after seeing them coughing after injecting Tren!


    After hearing this specific anecdote repeatedly over the years, I knew I had to look more carefully into the scientific nature of this. As time went on, I learned that the mechanism-of-action associated with “Tren-Cough” has never been confirmed. There are a number of hypothesis and it seems like most people think that the cough is related to the solvent benzyl alcohol. This does not fully explain the mysterious- “Tren-Cough”, as there are many other anabolic steroids made with benzyl alcohol. Why don’t we see this violent reaction with other steroids?


    In the quest for a better explanation and after interviewing many anabolic steroid experts- both with real-life experience and actual physicians, like me that have been clinically involved with anabolic steroid users, I believe I have found the “Holy Grail” answer to what is, “Tren-Cough”.


    man_coughing Tren coughThere are a number of hypothesis about tren cough
    Tren cough is from benzyl solvent?


    Like many things in the world of medicine, mechanisms of action are rarely unilateral and the answer to complex medical puzzles are usually multifactorial. Trenbolone is many times more potent in both anabolic and androgenic terms vs. testosterone and even other anabolic steroids. Its unique molecular structure may, itself be the direct cause for the dreaded, “Tren-Cough”. However and which may be more plausible is that Tren may cause a down-stream effect on other biologic mediators leading to a cough reaction. It is known that androgens lead to activation of a variety of lipid-like active compounds known as prostaglandins. Some of these are well known to be inflammatory and vasoconstrictive in nature. It is possible that Tren, injected in a particular form, concentration and in genetically susceptible people, leads to immediate liberation of these irritant prostaglandins and the effect is vasoconstriction of the muscular wall of the bronchus in the lungs causing a cough reaction. In addition, it has been thought that Trenbolone increases Bradykinin, an inflammatory mediator peptide, well known to lead to cough reactions associated with ace-inhibitor medications for hypertension may also play a role here. These are some of the more cerebral hypothesis related to Tren-Cough and I imagine that with Benzyl alcohol, one can explain this age old question to: What causes Tren-Cough?


    Trenbolone causes kidney damage?


    anabolic steroid induced renal diseaseanabolic steroid induced renal disease
    Another classic rumor about Tren that has been circulating for over 20 years among even the brightest individuals involved with the scientific nature of anabolic steroids is that Trenbolone is renal toxic. I find it fascinating that this has never been studied more scientifically by Nephrologists! Steroid users who use Tren have made anecdotal remarks that they get “back pumps” and that their urine is dark- a sign of kidney strain/disease. To answer these questions, first we have to examine the physical property of Trenbolone. Anyone who is experienced with injectable anabolic steroids realizes that Tren is darker in color vs other testosterone esters, Decca, EQ, ect. This inherent property of Tren in addition to that fact that this drug is further metabolized by the kidneys to produce a rust-like dark orange urine in some people has led to the medical mystery regarding Tren and kidney disease. It should be noted that not all individuals that inject Tren manifest this sign of dark urine or “back-pumps”. I would imagine there are multiple factors involved here, such as dose and concentration of the Trenbolone product type being used, e.g. Acetate vs Enanthate and genetic susceptibility of the user.


    There are no credible scientific studies linking Trenbolone to renal disease. However, there is legitimate data indicating that anabolic steroids can lead to renal disease. I have seen men in my medical practice, who have used anabolic steroids for years, without adequate medical consultation and who are in varied degrees of renal dysfunction, including required dialysis and kidney transplantation.


    I find this topic- anabolic steroid induced renal disease so important; I want this to be an alert and anyone who is using anabolic steroids to see a health care practitioner and have laboratory assessment for renal function.


    See below a credible study done by experts in Pathology and Nephrology at Columbia University in New York City regarding anabolic steroids and kidney disease.


    Anabolic steroids can cause health complications- please see a qualified health care practitioner!


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    Funny is u never have had tren cough, but i get out of breath in times bp got high!
    Something I noticed is my urine is darker but I have done bloods within 4 weeks after use and kidney function fine.
    I think urine darker is from sweating much more especially at night.
    I don't get big on tren but I lose some fat!
    I have noticed test at most equal to but not higher sides much lower

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    I have done many cycles with Tren and only had the Tren Cough once. I think my wife was more upset than me but it did suck. I was just lucky I knew what it was. I usually like my test to tren ratio at 2/1.
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    I always did test 2:1 tren
    Right now I am on
    50 a day of each with 150 mast p
    And no bp sides or anxiety
    Just night sweats and that overbearing powerful mood of I don't think so!!! With a RrrOaR!!!
    To back it up! Lol, but not funny!

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    Tren kicks my butt. I get every side effect known to man and get tren cough about every other shot. Just not worth it for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    Tren kicks my butt. I get every side effect known to man and get tren cough about every other shot. Just not worth it for me.
    So odd.
    Makes me feel like a GOD and acetate has virtually no bad side effects for me other than blood numbers. I wish I could run it forever!

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    had the tren cough, been off abt 2 wks now and am finally starting to sleep well....good stuff but nasty sides
     

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    You guys are making me want to try it again. Looks like I will have to get me some and see what happens.
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    I have been on tren a 3 weeks I think this Thursday no cough but never really had it. Get pick time to time or throat tighteness!
    I am sleeping good sweating all night in sleep!!!
    I just have that aggressive mood about things....
    I now only use the ace no more enathate for me and experimenting with dose helped.

    Masterone helps sides it helps to combat sides we use test for but without test higher with tren making sides.
    No anxiety this way, no bp problems!!!
    Tren a test prop=equal mast higher + proviron and MC nolva 7mg a day and MC anti-P at 0.3 @2× wk


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    In my earlier cycles, I would get tren cough more easily, but this time around with tren e, I haven't gotten it at all though I do notice some tightening that lasts maybe a couple of hours. Tren ace would make me out of breath when I worked out, but tren e doesn't seem to give me that particular side. I absolutely love how your body just changes on tren, losing fat and gaining muscle. It's probably my favorite steroid.
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    I did forget about my night sweats as a side. Bothered my wife more than it bothered me....because I felt so Godly. Hahhaha

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    CARDARINE helped me alot with all of the sides while I'm taking tren ace. No sweats, no anxiety, no cardio issues. Only been back on a few days, but normally by now I'd be sweating the bed into a pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherHead View Post
    CARDARINE helped me alot with all of the sides while I'm taking tren ace. No sweats, no anxiety, no cardio issues. Only been back on a few days, but normally by now I'd be sweating the bed into a pool.
    I don't mind sweats at all especially at night.
    Since I changed to short esters and dropped the deca I have lost a lot of fat. Think I am 10% for sure need to check maybe less. Went from almost 196 some days to 186 right now in 3 weeks

    The sweats are all part of tren making fat come off. When we heat up we burn calories so sweating all night is part of it. Effortless calories being burned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    I always did test 2:1 tren
    Right now I am on
    50 a day of each with 150 mast p
    And no bp sides or anxiety
    Just night sweats and that overbearing powerful mood of I don't think so!!! With a RrrOaR!!!
    To back it up! Lol, but not funny!

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    What ai did you use and at what dose ai did u use?


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    I love me some tren and I'm cutting now so on it like a mad man.

    Test P 150 EOD
    Tren A 100 EOD
    Tren E 400 Monday Thursday
    EQ 300 EOD
    TNE 75 Pre Workout
    12iu growth split twice per day
    Winny 75 oil EOD
    Winny oral 100mg ED
    Mast prop 200 EOD
    Var 100mg ED
    Igf lr3 100mcg split bi lateral pre workout

    Took out 20iu of insulin split daily recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masher59 View Post
    I love me some tren and I'm cutting now so on it like a mad man.

    Test P 150 EOD
    Tren A 100 EOD
    Tren E 400 Monday Thursday
    TNE 75 Pre Workout
    12iu growth split twice per day
    Winny 75 oil EOD
    Winny oral 100mg ED
    Mast prop 200 EOD
    Var 100mg ED
    Igf lr3 100mcg split bi lateral pre workout

    Took out 20iu of insulin split daily recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drtbear1967 View Post
    You are a BEAST!!!!
    Well I'm down from 293 pounds to 271 and I still have a bit to drop so fingers crossed I can make my classic physique weight without have to burn some muscle off.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigunitny View Post
    What ai did you use and at what dose ai did u use?


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    Right now I bumped up
    Tren a 75 mg a day
    Test prop a tad less than tren
    Masterone prop 150 mg a day
    I pin those daily
    Nolva 7 mg a day MC nolva
    Proviron 25 mg 2x a day
    Anavar 20 mg a day bumping to 30 Balkan blister packs
    MC Anti-P .3 @2× week

    Ai?
    I have letro and adex but it's not needed and want be for this run!
    When i have proviron I usually run around 10 mg of nolva on blast.
    I stay away from Ai's as much as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    Right now I bumped up
    Tren a 75 mg a day
    Test prop a tad less than tren
    Masterone prop 150 mg a day
    I pin those daily
    Nolva 7 mg a day MC nolva
    Proviron 25 mg 2x a day
    Anavar 20 mg a day bumping to 30 Balkan blister packs
    MC Anti-P .3 @2× week

    Ai?
    I have letro and adex but it's not needed and want be for this run!
    When i have proviron I usually run around 10 mg of nolva on blast.
    I stay away from Ai's as much as possible

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    Your masteron and proviron are absolutely sufficient for some


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigunitny View Post
    Your masteron and proviron are absolutely sufficient for some


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    I used .5 adex last night.
    I had bumped test p to 75 got more water weight, anxiety and uneasy feeling.
    Put test p back at 50 a day

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    I have been fortunate to have not had the dreaded tren cough or dark colored pee. I do get insane bacl pumps at times but I still am able to work out with them. I am currenty running a tri tren blend at 300mg every 5 days but have little negative side effects compared to most users. The main thing on Tren is my cardio gets rough to do a lot of it but thats alright and also a little bacl acne but not much. Even with all the bad stigma around tren I know I will not give it up anytime soon whem prepping for summer or ending a bulking cycle with it !!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnTheRise View Post
    I have been fortunate to have not had the dreaded tren cough or dark colored pee. I do get insane bacl pumps at times but I still am able to work out with them. I am currenty running a tri tren blend at 300mg every 5 days but have little negative side effects compared to most users. The main thing on Tren is my cardio gets rough to do a lot of it but thats alright and also a little bacl acne but not much. Even with all the bad stigma around tren I know I will not give it up anytime soon whem prepping for summer or ending a bulking cycle with it !!
    I don't get tren cough!
    Lol
    It was supposed to be from an irritant in fina pellet conversion!
    As far as I am concerned it's from that because I know nobody who gets it here but they don't fill their head with stuff online. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    I don't get tren cough!
    Lol
    It was supposed to be from an irritant in fina pellet conversion!
    As far as I am concerned it's from that because I know nobody who gets it here but they don't fill their head with stuff online. Lol

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    I got it before maybe twice in my history its heavily hyped because when it happens its annoying and for a first timer u bug out but since the internet everyone knows ur not gonna die u tough it out for the 1-3 min n then u breath normal and move on . I think its a histemic reaction NO one croaks from it


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigunitny View Post
    I got it before maybe twice in my history its heavily hyped because when it happens its annoying and for a first timer u bug out but since the internet everyone knows ur not gonna die u tough it out for the 1-3 min n then u breath normal and move on . I think its a histemic reaction NO one croaks from it


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    Lol!
    The anxiety that tren can cause too..
    My fear and concerns are that uneasy feeling of anxiety when for what ever reason stress gets bad, bp goes up, tension can build day to day, and body just feels like it's too much in the mind i am telling myself ok I am on tren I gotta calm down and quit getting upset and things get best of me.... but it's not that easy!!!
    I believe that reaction us from aromatasing too much estro with it.
    Tren suppresses stress hormones like cortisol all glucocloride hormones but they needed to calm us down!!!
    Makes sense to me!
    Tren ace low test for me from now on!!!
    Low enough to not aromatase!
    Even with testosterone only nothing else just a good gram or so a week, when estro builds up anxiety, stress, and irritability start with me!!!

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    Tren cough is like water-boarding... It sucks, you think you're going to die, you feel like you're dying, but you won't die. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeatherHead View Post
    Tren cough is like water-boarding... It sucks, you think you're going to die, you feel like you're dying, but you won't die. lol
    Had a pick last night and burn in throat coughed a little it was before I can put pin down!
    I hurried and drank water out sink!
    I get that alot!

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    Anabolic steroids may block the binding of cortisol to its receptor sites, which would prevent muscle breakdown and enhances recovery. While this is beneficial while the athlete is taking the drug, the effect backfires when he stops taking it. Hormonal adaptations occur in response to the abnormal amount of male hormone present in the athlete's body. Cortisol receptor sites and cortisol secretion from the adrenal cortex increase.


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    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful

    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful

    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful

    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful


    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful

    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful

    Trenbolone is without doubt the most powerful
    Changed patterns of serum cortisol levels have been observed in connection with abnormal ACTH levels, mood disorders such as major depressive disorder, anxiety disorders, psychological stress, and physiological stressors such as hypoglycemia, illness, fever, trauma, surgery, fear, pain, physical exertion, or temperature extremes. Cortisol levels may also differ for individuals with autism or Asperger's syndrome.[39] Also, significant individual variation is seen, although a given person tends to have consistent rhythms.


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