Is Winnie necessary for cutting?

[trentog]

Hey all,

I'm planning on 8 weeks of the following:

Test Phenylprop - 60mg EOD
Tren Ace - 60mg EOD
Mast Prop - 75mg EOD

So...not a whopping cycle, just about 660mg total compound per week. I've run over 1,500mg/week before, but just looking to get cut up this time.

Is Winnie necessary for this cycle, given the Mast is already there?

Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere on the forum - my search turned up nothing.

 

[guardianactual]

What are your stats currently ?

Winnie can never hurt, I would say it really depends. Tren will do far more than winnie ever could. My results thus far on similar is outstanding.

I am adding winnie for a short run towards the end to get that dry look. Winnie is probably the most athletics enhancing aas from what many say... but the effects on joints is a bitch.

 

[trentog]

I'm currently at 235 lbs. at 6'3". Carrying a little winter fat, but planning on cutting another 10 lbs. before the cycle starts.

Lifts are mediocre - my usual workout entails 300 lbs decline bench, 270 on machine shoulder press, and 1,010 lbs on leg press. Enough so that people can tell I lift, but it's just so hard to pack on serious size at this height and age (41).

I've also got a history of psoriatic arthritis, which is under control now due to medication, but makes me a little scared of Winnie.

 

[trentog]

If I were to up it to 75mg test/75mg tren/100mg mast EOD, would that make up for the Winnie? Maybe with Arimidex 0.5mg ED?

 

[Presser]

Hey all,

I'm planning on 8 weeks of the following:

Test Phenylprop - 60mg EOD
Tren Ace - 60mg EOD
Mast Prop - 75mg EOD

So...not a whopping cycle, just about 660mg total compound per week. I've run over 1,500mg/week before, but just looking to get cut up this time.

Is Winnie necessary for this cycle, given the Mast is already there?

Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere on the forum - my search turned up nothing.

I would drop the masteron and add winstrol, along with IGF-1 lr3. Thats hands down been my best cycle ever and I have named it the “Stage Maker”

For me, yes the addition of oral winstrol makes a huge difference, as their is a special kinda synergy between all of these compounds only when the winstrol is added, and without it, I have taken the other compounds together and didnt experience nearly what I have when adding winstrol/stanazolol tabs to my cycle!

The igf-1 lr3 isn’t needed for great gains, as the cycle I laid out will yield unreal gains, the igf-1 lr3 is to solidify those gains, and aid in getting shredded by way of telling your body to burn fat as fuel. But I have taken the cycle without igf, and its still a sick ass cycle

 

[trentog]

I would drop the masteron and add winstrol, along with IGF-1 lr3. Thats hands down been my best cycle ever and I have named it the “Stage Maker”

For me, yes the addition of oral winstrol makes a huge difference, as their is a special kinda synergy between all of these compounds only when the winstrol is added, and without it, I have taken the other compounds together and didnt experience nearly what I have when adding winstrol/stanazolol tabs to my cycle!

The igf-1 lr3 isn’t needed for great gains, as the cycle I laid out will yield unreal gains, the igf-1 lr3 is to solidify those gains, and aid in getting shredded by way of telling your body to burn fat as fuel. But I have taken the cycle without igf, and its still a sick ass cycle

Very useful, I appreciate it, man. How much total compound do you normally run per week and how much of that is Winnie?

 

[nuknuk]

gotta agree with presser on this. I like winny in the mix over masteron. IMO, masteron is for a precontest only. So unless your stepping on stage, get more bang for your buck with other compounds. IGF would be a great benefit.

 

[trentog]

Much appreciated, guys. Ok, let's say for argument's sake that the Mast can't be cut out due to how the mixtures are made. Should I go for 1000mg/week (total compound) for 8 weeks with IGF for 4 weeks and no Winnie, or 8700mg/week for 8 weeks with IGF 4 weeks and Winnie 4 weeks? I have to control the cost or the wife will have my head.

Once again, I appreciate your input.

 

[nuknuk]

I'm not one to look at total mg numbers, and never have, just know the half life of drugs, and run them according to the ester. So basically you have a vial with 3 different compounds in them that need to be applied frequent to get the most out of them. So just keep it simple, start at EOD and see what happens, if you get results from that then keep it at that. If you can grow off less, that's what you want. Your body can only grow/change so much in X amount of time anyways. Pushing the dose up will do nothing. If you can add winny to it, then great, if not don't sweat it. So then your next cycle you can use winny and see if you like it better than Tren or Mast.

 

[guardianactual]

Much appreciated, guys. Ok, let's say for argument's sake that the Mast can't be cut out due to how the mixtures are made. Should I go for 1000mg/week (total compound) for 8 weeks with IGF for 4 weeks and no Winnie, or 8700mg/week for 8 weeks with IGF 4 weeks and Winnie 4 weeks? I have to control the cost or the wife will have my head.

Once again, I appreciate your input.

I have had no issues with masteron. It is my current run. I never used Winnie only prostanazol the ph version and it was like taking stimulants. I did get leaner with pstanz. But i do well with masteron as well.

I will say what others will about winnies joint issues. Deca. Deca deca. If you can add a lil 250mg a week should counter act it. Press and nuk definitely have nore experience than I do with those compounds, and cutting, up til recently, I was a bulker for life haha.

Tren, if you havent used it, is insane I'm loving and hating my run with it currently. I opted for var over winnie to start. I do plan to add winnie to my finish. I am thinking 4 weeks or so at 50-100mg.

If the meds you are on are helping, hopefully they can counter the issues from winnie? Good luck man

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I would drop the masteron and add winstrol, along with IGF-1 lr3. Thats hands down been my best cycle ever and I have named it the “Stage Maker”

For me, yes the addition of oral winstrol makes a huge difference, as their is a special kinda synergy between all of these compounds only when the winstrol is added, and without it, I have taken the other compounds together and didnt experience nearly what I have when adding winstrol/stanazolol tabs to my cycle!

The igf-1 lr3 isn’t needed for great gains, as the cycle I laid out will yield unreal gains, the igf-1 lr3 is to solidify those gains, and aid in getting shredded by way of telling your body to burn fat as fuel. But I have taken the cycle without igf, and its still a sick ass cycle

Press, since when did you used Mast and winnie? Last time I recall you said you stayed away from dhts if I remember lmao. Have I been gone that long?

 

[trentog]

Much obliged, GA. Yes sir, I discovered Tren fairly early on in my "supplementing," and have been using it since 2009. Wonderful substance, with terrible sides. My wife used to say that sleeping next to me she thought she had married an Italian rugby team from the smell. Still very worth it though.

I guess I'll get the mixes and the Winnie and forego the IGF. I'm just thinking cost analysis - $50 for the Winnie vs. $150 for the IGF. I know the effects are drastically different, but this might well be my last ever cycle.

PS: I desperately want to meet the subject of the picture for your avatar.

 

[yellow snow]

gotta agree with presser on this. I like winny in the mix over masteron. IMO, masteron is for a precontest only. So unless your stepping on stage, get more bang for your buck with other compounds. IGF would be a great benefit.

Winnie is a game changer when you get below 10% and if you get into the 6-8% it is unreal;Keep in mind if you are 12-14% getting to 10% I would go with mast. However you have 2 issues with winnie that you probably wouldn't with mast. winnie kills some people's joints, it destroys my liver values AST/ALT, but it will make you crazy strong especially when you combine it with Tren.

First time you run it I would go 25mg ED once you get used to it the standard is 50mg ED.

 

[trekrider215]

Bro all you can do is try it and see what happens. The words, "these compounds effect everyone differently", are constantly repeated on steroid forums, yet people don't ever seem to take them to heart.

Some people seem to get good results on winstrol, so they recommend everyone it and their enthusiasm shows because it obviously worked so well for them. Then just as many people end up having gripes about it. Both winstrol and Anavar make me look small and flat, even when bodyfat is very low. I end up noticeably weaker for some reason, and on winstrol specifically there is no such thing as training heavy for me, or for a lot of people. It takes too much of a toll on tendons. It will make them brittle as fuck. If you like lifting heavy winstrol may not be a good idea.

Anyways, all you can do is try it and move on to the next. The absolute most important thing is to keep a log or diary or journal or whatever and document what your doing, how your doing it, and whats happening to you.