Success w/o carb manipulation

VA MadDog

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I have seen a few threads in other boards that talk about people who have been able to come into a contest with the desired hard/dry/full look but who HAVE NOT played with their carbs/water/sodium the last week.

Is there anyone here who has had success with basically just getting very lean and then not manipulating carbs/sodium/water?

I'll even go the next step and ask if you personally know of anyone who has done this successfully? Are these folks just very rare and naturally very lean???

The idea intrigues me - just get into contest shape a week out and coast into the show - sort of a don't change what has been working for you concept.
 
VA my body is wierd....my carb loads really dont work...I havent quite learned my body yet it seems I dont get full unless I eat plain out shit.....chocolate and stuff like that...all the stuff high in sodium that you really cant load on....I may try the coastin theory on one of my 3 shows next year...
 
VA MadDog said:
I have seen a few threads in other boards that talk about people who have been able to come into a contest with the desired hard/dry/full look but who HAVE NOT played with their carbs/water/sodium the last week.

Is there anyone here who has had success with basically just getting very lean and then not manipulating carbs/sodium/water?

I'll even go the next step and ask if you personally know of anyone who has done this successfully? Are these folks just very rare and naturally very lean???

The idea intrigues me - just get into contest shape a week out and coast into the show - sort of a don't change what has been working for you concept.

I have had a few friends that have done this and that is what made me think of it for my last show. They did it a bit differently though in that they loaded carbs slowly at 2 weeks out until about wed. (I think it was wed) before the show and them switched the calories from the carbs to protein and bit more fat though not alot. Protein has a diuresis affect on the body so switching to protein caused them both to get harder and neither one of them had a water control problem. Thing was, they weren't as full as they could have been (hardly flat though) but you have to ask yourself - would you rather be a bit flatter but hard as nails or risk being a bit fuller and maybe a tad not so crisp? Depends on what you want.

Skip
ADD: I will throw one more possiblity that I have considered and that is protein loading. If you started soon enough with a higher level of protein without carbs, the body would convert the extra protein to glucose and this would be stored as glycogen in a depleted state without high insulin levels. This slower load might help to make controlling water even that much easier. However, if I took myself as an example, I already take in close to 500g of protein during precontest. I would be concerned with the large amount of toxins created by an even higher level of protein to get a load done this way. BUT..... with someone who doesn't have a terribly high level of protein during their prep phase, maybe it would work well for them to replace the carbs with protein at say 10 days out without being potentially harmful. They would them coast through the last week without depleting and loading carbs. Hell, you could even combine a fat load with a protein load....... Hmmmmm.......

Just me thinking out loud. *shrug*

Skip
 
What about water intake?

Ok Skip - In either example you use how do you play the water intake? Just keep it fairly high all the way through to keep everything flushed and your body thinking that it has more than enough? or do you still drop it to near zero the night before?

I have actually read about two competitors that have used unique schemes successfully. One a natty who basically went to nothing except lean ground beef and grapefruit for Wed and Th then ate about 500 grams of rice on Friday but kept his water high right through the show. It worked well for him. He had a second show in two weeks. The second time around he did the same thing but also hit heavy sodium free sugary (high GI) carbs on Saturday morning - orange juice, plus a large jar of applesauce, and lemonade. He again kept his water high all the way through. The high GI carbs on Saturday AM spiked his insulin levels and he kept eating/drinking them to keep insulin high through out the day. His comment was that "he hardly had to pump up at all and he felt and looked hard and full all day, plus was very vascular" He was convinced that since he dropped sodium on Wed and kept it out that the water he drank was not going to be held subqutaneously. It worked twice for him.

The other I'm thinking of is Homonunculus who advocated for the typical water manipulation but then on Friday eating nothing but a low sodium protein like chicken or turkey breast., but only about 300g total. He then takes an ECA (3x), 10+g of vit C, plus natural diuretics every hour, and multivitamins and B complex.

On Sat morning he says that you will be very dry and hard at which point he drinks some carbs like ultrafuel or carbo force which makes him very vascular. He did not add sodium back in, but I think that I have heard him argue otherwise in different posts - or maybe that was you - lol

He does not explain what he did Monday - Thursday as far as diet and carbs go so I don't know. I do know that he is always where he wants to be weight/bf wise at least a week or two out. You have seen his pics - the dude comes in ripped to the bone. Maybe he'll see this and jump in with some clarification.

The main reason that I'm thinking hard about this is that even with the shitload you can still miss your timing by an hour or two. That is most likely due to when you add water back in, but I have to wonder a little about the sodium in the shit load being an unknown factor. It would be much simpler if you could just keep water high and not have to worry about the timing of adding it back in. It would be one less variable to worry about plus not drinking water is a big pain and makes you feel like sh*t until you add it back in.

Let me use me as an example. If you remember how my last show went, the shitload worked pretty well, we missed the best time to add water back in (added it in a little too late) but my legs did not get nearly as hard/dry as my upper body did. I'm just wondering if the sodium in the shitload might have had an impact on me holding some water in my lower body???? If you recall my legs were cut from the sides but smoother looking in the front. If it was a little body fat, it sure seems like a strange way for my body to hold body fat.

Anyway I'm still also hoping to hear from other board members about their experiences or about others who they know have hit their peak just right using what I would call a unique strategy.
 
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