Beginer cycle

[WeightNc]

What would the first time gear cycle look like, if the objective were to gain & keep the most amount of lean muscle, W/ the least probability of gyno/side effects?

Say, the person has decent genetics & a good foundation on a medium frame.


Thanks.

 

[brew]

I like test eth and eq. Say 500 and 400mg per wk. You could throw in an oral if you want. I'd go 10 wks.

 

[tool]

I think a sust and deca stack would be good.

500mg. sust for your first shot then Inject 250mg twice a week for 8 to 10 weeks.

400mg. of deca a week for 8 to 10 weeks

then use clomid and nolvadex for post

 

[Presser]

ok so sust has 4 tests 2 short 2 long correct? so if one were to start of taking sust and shooting twice a week then the 2 long esters would take about 4 weeks to kick in, then the 2 short esters take will spike ur hormone levels within days, however at best the 2 short acting test esters will keep sustained test levels for 3 days tops! so it is only wise to shoot sust eod or ed until ur 2 long acting ester kick in, other wise the first 4 weeks using the sus and onlygetting short acting esters spikes will fuck u up if you only shoot once a week or twice a week, what will happen is ur levels will rocket up, then by day 3 they come down which leaves you open for labido problems,mood swings, acne and all other sides associated with gear, hope i explained that thoroughly enough for anyone to understand sustanon should be shot ed or eod for the first 4 weeks until the 2 long tests kick in, otherwise its kinda like shooting prop once or twice a week ya know

 

[tool]

I agree, Although eod injections would be a great deal of test for a beginner use. So I would change to test cyp or Test en

 

[Presser]

That may e true bro, cant disagree there but my point was that you told him to shoot sustanon at one shot 500mgs and then 250 mgs twice a week, this is a big mistake by anyone using sus advanced or newbie, you cant just take sustanon once or twice a week , so if ed or eod injections are bad for a newbie sustanon is definatly out in my humblest of humble opinions,lol,

 

[Flexmaster]

presser is right. sust is shitty unless you're using it for ed or eod injections.

weightnc...you need to know how you react to test because it should be the base of every cycle you do. therefore you should do a test only cycle w/ test enanthate or cypionate @ 400-500 mg/week (in two seperate shots). you will grow like a weed off this as long as your diet is good. your next cycle try stacking something like equipiose and you'll definately blow up again.

 

[WeightNc]

Thanks for all the input.

Only test enanthate or cypionate?
Is it possible to get decent results offa just Deca alone?

 

[Flexmaster]

i've got a friend who used just deca for his first cycle, go good gains but kept none of it(he didn't do pct or anything). based on your first post i assume you want to use deca because you're worried about side effects w/ test. if you've got anti-estogens on hand in case of gyno then you should be good to go with a test only cycle @ 400-500mg/wk. you won't know for sure until you try it, everyone's different.

 

[tool]

You will keep the muscle easier with deca than you would with test. The gains won't be as dramatic but the muscle is good clean muscle. There is some water retention with deca and that is what you will lose. Try deca and dbol together. I've had great results with that to.

 

[Flexmaster]

deca+dbol is a good combo for sure. only thing about dbol is the lower back pain. i had to take ten minutes between deadlift sets laying on my back to make it go away.

 

[johnnyboy845]

test e and deca is an excellent beginner cycle... presser is exactly correct you need to shoot sust EOD to take advantage or the fast acting esters and EOD is a lot of shots for a beginner

test enanthate or cypionate 500mg and deca at 300mg is a great 10 week beginner cycle and d-bol at 30 mg ed for the first 4 weeks is an excellent way to give it a jumpstart

 

[johnnyboy845]

ohh and deca alone might give good gains but you might get deca dick.. rule of thumb more test than deca

 

[WeightNc]

I've also heard the dangers of your bodys testosterone production shutting down while you are on the gear.

Is this true? If so, how long until production resumes again?

 

[Flexmaster]

yes its true. that is why after a cycle you should do PCT (post cycle therapy). this involves using drugs like HCG, clomid, nolvadex to get your natural testosterone back to normal. if you do not do pct you will lose majority of your gains and will feel like shit. not to mention your balls will be small as raisins.

 

[donky]

sust is old news, use some cyp or enth w/ some deca or EQ and throw in some test prop for the first 2-4 weeks, same idea as sust but with even blood levels...

 

[WeightNc]

Ok, so taking everything here into consideration how much $$ are we looking at for a solid beginer cycle including post therapy?

On the average?

 

[Flexmaster]

depends on the source bro, and what you're using. a couple hundred is common for everything including pct, anti e's, pins, gear.

 

[jaywooly]

Don't just do deca. If you use deca, I highly suggest you use a test with it.

Personally I think a very solid and cheap beginer cycle would be test enanthate at 500mgs EW for about 10. I know I've suggested it a billion times on this board in the last week, but I wont let up, lol. You could thrown in some dbol in the begining if you choose. To me, EQ is expensive and it doesn't yeild tremendous gains/hardness/vascularity unless you're using high doseages.

First decide what you want to do, find the prices and violoa! Keep the pins, pct, anti-e's, etc in mind as suggested.

 

[donky]

using cyp or enth as a test over sust should help keep the price down...