ECA vs Aqua/Cyto Burn vs DNP?

[cytis01]

Ok - so there are a lot of threads out here that reference these three but I havent seen any that really compare/contrast them together. In the past I have only ever used ECA stacks. I used clen for a bit but it didnt do it for me quite like the ECA stack did. Has anyone tried all 3? Can anyone rank them as far as potentency and/or any other characteristics?

ECA - Ephedrine/Caffeine/Asprin. Stimulant, appetite suppresant, and thermogenic in brown adipose tissue and skeletal muscle. Ephedrine like clen down regulates beta-receptors which can lead to reduced effect over periods of time. This can be counter acted w/ something like benedryl (or generic sleep aid) which acts to upregulate. I personally take benedryl every night to help me fall asleep anyway- Ive always gotten great energy (not twitchy or jittery) and get good results in the mirror.

Aqua/Cyto Burn - Two different chemicals here. Aqua burn seems more like an ephedrine type action whereas Cyto I believe acts on the thyroid like T2/T3? And thus cyto needs to be ramped up and back down after. Aqua can be cut cold turkey but a lot of members recommend starting out at very low dosages like 1 drop/day to see how you react and ramp up to tolerance. Some here like Presser swear that it is great stuff and works 100% so Im curious to hear how it compares to ECA or DNP.

DNP - Mike Ross has laid out a lot of info on MC already so what I know is mostly from his posts. Heard this is the mother load but that being said must be carefully respected. Use 100mg-200mg for 20-30 days max. It builds up in the system; I believe 36 hr half life? Strong thermogenic from what I read. Does this act on beta receptors like Ephedra or clen? Im assuming not as it apparently does not find itself in a negative feedback cycle in the body which betas do. Is it more like cyto burn? MR states it 'competes w/ T3' so that would suggest yes? Of course any of these have negative sides but are these any worse? Is this more potent than the other two and by what ratio?
Thanks for any input here crew. Looking to try Aqua/Cyto in a while but wanted to get a gauge on the three; their comparisons, duration, dosage, etc.

 

[mike ross]

DNP has no beta interaction. NONE. no increase in BP or heart rate. You could use eca or cyto burn with DNP. The competition would be ok because you are getting some T2 also, which is what we want.

In terms of comparison, its apples to oranges...DNP causes almost a 120% increase in metabolic rate. Read mkdk's thread on his DNP use from me. Lost about 15lbs in 14 days...not getting that with anything you listed here.

DNP IMHO needs to be stacked with either one of what you mentioned above and you'll unlock its full effects.

 

[Buffalo]

DNP has no beta interaction. NONE. no increase in BP or heart rate. You could use eca or cyto burn with DNP. The competition would be ok because you are getting some T2 also, which is what we want.

In terms of comparison, its apples to oranges...DNP causes almost a 120% increase in metabolic rate. Read mkdk's thread on his DNP use from me. Lost about 15lbs in 14 days...not getting that with anything you listed here.

DNP IMHO needs to be stacked with either one of what you mentioned above and you'll unlock its full effects.

Does DNP have any room in a cut stack for a show?

 

[mike ross]

Yes, its becoming the main ingredient for pros...theres a few guys on the board that will be using it too for their preps

 

[cytis01]

DNP has no beta interaction. NONE. no increase in BP or heart rate. You could use eca or cyto burn with DNP. The competition would be ok because you are getting some T2 also, which is what we want.

In terms of comparison, its apples to oranges...DNP causes almost a 120% increase in metabolic rate. Read mkdk's thread on his DNP use from me. Lost about 15lbs in 14 days...not getting that with anything you listed here.

DNP IMHO needs to be stacked with either one of what you mentioned above and you'll unlock its full effects.

Ok - after reading your posts and mkdk's thread on the stuff I ordered a bottle and will start it out in October. Ill save my aqua for later as its going to get cooler here in Minny soon so should be more comfortable for this heat factor. Im like a furnace anyway all the time so Im curious how much hotter Ill be.

Still curious if anyone has tried Aqua/Cyto combo AND DNP to compare the results they got off the two. Thanks again for the input MR

 

[mike ross]

anytime...

 

[big in vegas]

Since DNP is just really coming around I'd almost guarantee no one has run cyto/aqua burn AND DNP.

 

[Presser]

i dont think he means all 3 together, i think he means he wants comparisons on the cyto-burn and aqua-burn combo compared to just DNP, I personaly think it would be crazy to take all 3 together if that is what he meant, and im sure we have loads of people who can compare the combo to the dnp alone, unfortuantly I'm not one of them,lol

 

[WesleyInman]

I know a few people running Aqua mixed with ECA stack with good results.

Don't know anyone personally who have done CYTO or DNP for that matter. I hear DNP is like clen on Steroids. Never tried it.

 

[Presser]

dnp is a pesticide or some shit isnt it?

 

[WesleyInman]

dnp is a pesticide or some shit isnt it?

I may be wrong, but I thought DNP was an ingredient in dynamite, I'm pretty sure that I am thinking of the right product??

If I am correct, all the people working in the mines were getting super ripped, vascular and muscular and it was because it actually can enter the bloodstream transdermally. Finally doctors found high levels in these miners bloodstreams,and once it hit mainstream, bodybuilders of course got word and began using it...Supposedly it is one of the, if not the very best thermogenic??

 

[Presser]

ive never heard that but i have heard its a pesticide

 

[Presser]

i found this

DNP has been used as a dye, pesticide, explosive, wood preservative and metabolic inhibitor; the latter is an agent that stops the hotly from producing adenosine triphosphate (AlP)

 

[Presser]

i found this


The Good

Want to lose some weight? How about half a pound of fat a day, without dieting or doing cardio? What if the fat loss occurred primarily around your hips and waist? That's what dinitrophenol, or DNP, can do for you. It's for real and it works. But oh, I forgot - it can also kill you.

DNP has been used as a dye, pesticide, explosive, wood preservative and metabolic inhibitor; the latter is an agent that stops the hotly from producing adenosine triphosphate (AlP). The food you eat, your own body fat and muscle can all he broken down, absorbed and converted into ATP. ATP then provides energy for your muscles to perform work. When DNP stunts the body's ability to make ATP, the body compensates by converting more fat into ATP, and voila, you lose weight fast. The reason you lose fat so fast is because your metabolism is increased 1w up to 50% or more. That means if you normally burn 2,000 calories a day, you'll burn 3,001) calories while taking DNP, and most of the fat loss occurs around the hips and abdomen. We aren't even talking about restricting calories or exercising! DNP can also improve certain disorders like hypertension.

The Bad

So if it works so well, why isn't everyone using DNP? To answer that, let's backtrack to World War I. French monitions workers manufactured DNP for use as an explosive From 1916-1918, 36 deaths were attributed to DNP exposure in munitions factories; the workers were absorbing it through their skin and lungs, and levels of this chemical got so high in their bodies that they died. Some of them died from fevers as high as 115 degrees F. Now here's the really freaky stuff, When some of these people were examined, their bode temperatures continued to increase although they were cleat!! Their autopsies revealed that they had almost no body fat.

Well along come the 1930s and some U.S. physicians decide to give DNP a try for weight loss. Their rationale was that since DNP induces such massive fat loss, perhaps in a controlled environment it would he beneficial in treating obesity. It began to grow popular and by 1934 more than 20) wholesale drug firms rnarketed DNP. Its use spread to Canada, Great Britain. France, Sweden, Italy and Austria. Then reports started coming in of side effects edema (swelling), joint stiffness and pain, headaches, dizziness, vomiting, fever, skin lesions and skin rashes. Then, around 1933-l935, death reports started appearing in the Journal of the American Medical Association and other medical journals. The problems were occurring at normal dosages; some people didn't lose weight at those doses and, even worse, others died. DNP was prescribed at dosages of 3-5 mg per 2.2 pounds (1 kg) of bodyweight per day.' At doses up to 10mg per 2.2 pounds of bodyweight per day. metabolism could increase up to 50%. At doses above this (mostly for animal studies), metabolism could increase up to four times. Some people would experience extremely severe allergic reactions from an initial dose; skin eruptions would form and take some time to heal. Others died at the lowest dose prescribed. Toxic or lethal closes in humans vary significantly front person to person. Some can't handle even the lowest dosage, while others may not experience the metabolic effects even at twice the standard dose.

The Ugly

Used in studies to damage cells, including muscle cells, DNP causes alterations in cell structures that can be permanent. Because DNP prevents insulin molecules from attaching to muscle cells, insulin can't do its job if increasing the uptake of amino acids and glucose. If a bodybuilder were to take it to get ripped, for example, an anabolic hormone such as insulin wouldn't be able to stimulate muscle growth. DNP also inhibits production of thyroid hormones and prevents them from working properly in the body. The list goes on and on. As a final example, immune cells lose their ability to "eat" foreign cells and material, increasing susceptibility to disease and impairing most ATP-dependent functions.

DNP also causes hand tremors and profuse sweating, as well as more serious far-reaching effects. After going off DNP, individuals may or may not gain back more fat than before, depending on how screwed up their thyroid hormones are and what they're doing in terms of diet, and exercise. Ten years go by, and why is it getting so dark? The final surprise: Even after years of not using DNP, a number of people get cataracts. What's it going to be? Ripped, less muscle and dead, or a hit more aerobic work and alive? DNP isn't worth the risks. Fortunately, the compound is hard to come by and difficult to make at home. Don't be misled if your buddy tried it and says it worked great for him. He can still get cataracts in the future, and you can still die from using the same dosage.

 

[WesleyInman]

Which is odd since ATP produces Energy in the cell...So does DNP make you tired when you take it, or your workout suffer?? Anyone know??

 

[Presser]

i posted above u at same time, so take a look above for some answers

 

[WesleyInman]

Which is odd since ATP produces Energy in the cell...So does DNP make you tired when you take it, or your workout suffer?? Anyone know??

Sorry Press, I didn't see the second post, where it does mention the ATP conversion process, so is this correct, it converts muscle into energy?? Funny even after 20 years in this sport and I didn't know that

 

[mike ross]

DNP will make your tired. People stack it with ECA to reduce this effect and to increase the metabolic rate even more. I have found that i fatigue sooner, but due to the bloating that can occur, ive actually gotten stronger on certain exercises.

Yes presser it has been used as all those you mentioned. Its an oxidative decoupler which means it creates free radicals which is why you need the green tea, the cissus, the phenols, the vitamin c, etc i always mentioned. DNP is like clen on steroids, hgh, igf all together. The main drawback is the sweating. If you are a professional and have to wear a suit and tie, this probably isnt for you. You can get around it, i have, and ive mentioned various ways to manipulate the diet on it as well.

I think DNP stacks well with eca, possibly clen but then you have to deal with the shakes too, insulin if you are trying to gain lean mass, t2, yohimbine...other than that, if you are pretty much in shape and are just looking to lose that last extra bit or make weight etc...DNP is the jam. However, give it 3 days to clear your system. If you have to make weight on Thur and compete Fri, its not going to work out nicely. If you make weight wed and compete Sat, youre good to go, just recomp correctly and its on.

 

[big in vegas]

i found this

DNP has been used as a dye, pesticide, explosive, wood preservative and metabolic inhibitor; the latter is an agent that stops the hotly from producing adenosine triphosphate (AlP)

All the reasons I've not taken it yet, but I think the more that come sout the safer it seems

 

[Presser]

All the reasons I've not taken it yet, but I think the more that come sout the safer it seems

what do u mean, i dont understand what u mean brutha