Need some advice on first steroid cycle.

[Jo_seef]

I tried to tell you that a first cycle shouldn't involve so many compounds. 500 mg test/week is plenty for the first time. Add stuff down the road when the body adapts but your going to do what the hell you want do. Inject yourself everyday with 10 compounds and then you won't have to run another cycle again because you've done all in the first one.

 

[Nikon]

Hey guys! So here I am again! At last, i have everything i need for my cycle including PCT. Had to get it from everywhere i could. Cost me a lot and had too many complications while getting it. Thats how it is where I live, especially when you dont know anyone else around you on juice who you can trust. So, anyways, I ended up with 10ml test enathate (300mg/ml), 30ml test prop (100mg/ml), danabol 100 tabs, proviron, stanozolol (lots of it), arimidex and clomed. And now I'm confused where to start from . I want to do a 10 weeks cycle with leaner gains by the end of it. Any suggestions how to mix tests? Would love some suggestions!

Sorry man, Andy jacked your thread, so it was kind of a pain to read through, but here is where I'm at with it. It looks like you may have some experience with PH's (Msten, and 1 other?) and it looks like you made some gains (Cool). That's a great start, but dude that's too much to be running for your first cycle. I'm not sure running some Msten, and something else with no PCT could be considered a real "cycle".

You seriously need to consider slowing down, and taking time to learn how each compound affects your body (Estrogen, Gyno, Prolactin, Agression, Lethargy, Acne, Libido, and other sides in general). You need to know what works for you. Some things works for some guys, some don't. Although, TEST works for ALL men if they take enough, diet, and train.

Personally, I think you should consider trying something like this:

TEST E: 300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300 Split into 2 doses Weekly

Dbol: 30/40/40/40 ED (Every Day) - That's 105 tabs, so u will b 5 short (no big deal).

That's a really good start for a first cycle, and a nice dose of Test and Dbol. If that goes well, you could either PCT, or just start running a moderate dose of PROP and Proviron, and then drop in your Winny (it's tough on your liver if it's tabs - u need Liver support - TUDCA).
(You should also be taking LIVER SUPPORT (TUDCA - for the Dbol!)
That would make for a longer cycle, but you should have enough AI to keep things under control.

Personally, I think you should just run the first cycle, and then PCT (You need NOLVA to go with the Clomid!). Then, get some more TEST E to go with the rest of your gear, and run another cycle after PCT. I know that's not what you want to hear, but I'm sure others will agree. I'm no expert, but I've made my fair share of mistakes due to impatience and ignorance. I have a descent lump of GYNO under my right nip I'm trying to get rid of because of it!
So, you have been warned!

Just so you know, your gains will still be "lean" if your diet is lean! You will retain a little water, but PCT will get rid of that. You already have low body fat (so u say), so that should be no problem for you.

Also, I never saw any IFG-1 LR3 mentioned. That will definitely keep you lean and vascular. Not to mention the pumps in the gym. You shouldn't run a cycle without it!

Anyway, that's all I've got for you. Best of luck though. I hope you'll run a log so we can keep up with your progress.

 

[Nikon]

I always heard to do a Test only cycle for your first cycle. That way you can learn how to dial in your E2 with only one compound in play and you can feel how your body reacts to high test levels. That way, when you add a second compound, you will know the changes made to your body for that compound.

Anyway, make sure you buy from a good source - would suck to have bad gear for your first cycle. I personally use PSL for all my AAS needs.

Really wish I would have done this for my first cycle. Maybe a little Deca added in, but you make a great point.
Unfortunately, I'm stubborn, and started out with several compounds (Like J128 is doing).

E2 and prolactin are tricky things to get a handle on.
I ended up having to take a 4 week break in the middle of my cycle due to Gyno and puffy nips.
I didn't know what was causing it, or how to control it.
I was able to get the puffy nips under control, but I didn't realize I had a fairly large lump under my right nip.
My last cycle made it flare up and caused it to be a little painful to the touch (although never any itch).
I'm still trying to get that under control. It is getting smaller with time and a lot of treatment.

I have a few cycles under my belt now, and I'm still learning how to control it.
I hope this guy will listen to us, because Gyno is a %#&*!

BTW, PSL is a straight up company. I had a small issue with some product not long ago, but they went out of their way to make it right.
I would definitely recommend PSL.

 

[j128]

I tried to tell you that a first cycle shouldn't involve so many compounds. 500 mg test/week is plenty for the first time. Add stuff down the road when the body adapts but your going to do what the hell you want do. Inject yourself everyday with 10 compounds and then you won't have to run another cycle again because you've done all in the first one.

As I said, I ended up with all the stuff because of few complications. Didn't say I was going to use every bit of it on my first cycle . So it's all good. And I do listen to people more experienced than me, which is why I joined the forum before doing my first cycle, not after it

 

[j128]

Sorry man, Andy jacked your thread, so it was kind of a pain to read through, but here is where I'm at with it. It looks like you may have some experience with PH's (Msten, and 1 other?) and it looks like you made some gains (Cool). That's a great start, but dude that's too much to be running for your first cycle. I'm not sure running some Msten, and something else with no PCT could be considered a real "cycle".

You seriously need to consider slowing down, and taking time to learn how each compound affects your body (Estrogen, Gyno, Prolactin, Agression, Lethargy, Acne, Libido, and other sides in general). You need to know what works for you. Some things works for some guys, some don't. Although, TEST works for ALL men if they take enough, diet, and train.

Personally, I think you should consider trying something like this:

TEST E: 300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300 Split into 2 doses Weekly

Dbol: 30/40/40/40 ED (Every Day) - That's 105 tabs, so u will b 5 short (no big deal).

That's a really good start for a first cycle, and a nice dose of Test and Dbol. If that goes well, you could either PCT, or just start running a moderate dose of PROP and Proviron, and then drop in your Winny (it's tough on your liver if it's tabs - u need Liver support - TUDCA).
(You should also be taking LIVER SUPPORT (TUDCA - for the Dbol!)
That would make for a longer cycle, but you should have enough AI to keep things under control.

Personally, I think you should just run the first cycle, and then PCT (You need NOLVA to go with the Clomid!). Then, get some more TEST E to go with the rest of your gear, and run another cycle after PCT. I know that's not what you want to hear, but I'm sure others will agree. I'm no expert, but I've made my fair share of mistakes due to impatience and ignorance. I have a descent lump of GYNO under my right nip I'm trying to get rid of because of it!
So, you have been warned!

Just so you know, your gains will still be "lean" if your diet is lean! You will retain a little water, but PCT will get rid of that. You already have low body fat (so u say), so that should be no problem for you.

Also, I never saw any IFG-1 LR3 mentioned. That will definitely keep you lean and vascular. Not to mention the pumps in the gym. You shouldn't run a cycle without it!

Anyway, that's all I've got for you. Best of luck though. I hope you'll run a log so we can keep up with your progress.

Hey man. Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail. Few questions:
1. So with the test e, why should I split it into 2 doses a week? What are the benefits with that?
2. Will it be too much if I add stanozolol (orals) to the rest of the cycle after I finished dbol? (I.e. after first four weeks). And how much shud I take?
3. Isn't proviron good for your estrogen levels if u add it in your cycle?

I have got tamoxifen (nolva), so got that covered too. gotta read more about the ifg, as I don't know much abt it.

 

[Jo_seef]

You split into 2 doses to keep your levels steady. I don't see the point in splitting 300mg though. I would just hit it every fifth day. If you were injecting a whole gram then maybe split it because of the amount of oil.

 

[Nikon]

Hey man. Thanks for taking the time to reply in detail. Few questions:
1. So with the test e, why should I split it into 2 doses a week? What are the benefits with that?
2. Will it be too much if I add stanozolol (orals) to the rest of the cycle after I finished dbol? (I.e. after first four weeks). And how much shud I take?
3. Isn't proviron good for your estrogen levels if u add it in your cycle?

I have got tamoxifen (nolva), so got that covered too. gotta read more about the ifg, as I don't know much abt it.

1.) Although I agree with Jo_seef, I still think you will have a more steady flow of TEST if you split your dose. I would.
2.) Yes. It would be like running a harsh oral for 12 WEEKS! Don’t do it man!
You also need to get some TUDCA or UDCA to protect your liver.
I hope you know how important your liver is.
3.) Yes. Proviron can help with E2 binding, but does cause an increase in DHT.
If you’re not prone to Male Pattern Baldness, this shouldn’t be an issue for you.
I say why not with the proviron.
It will give you the fat burning properties you are looking for, and it is very synergistic with other AAS, especially TEST. Meaning, it will compound your results!
I would start at 50mg/ED for the first week, then go to 100mg/ED for the remainder of the cycle.
I always start low with new compounds just to make sure I don’t have some crazy reation (you never know).

What is your plan for AI during your cycle?
You're gonna need some, especially with the Dbol!
I would run the ADEX @ .5mg/EOD (Every Other Day) for the ENTIRE cycle.

Anyway, I think that looks like a great first cycle!
If you don’t mind pinning EOD, I would also say you could add a small amount of TEST PROP if you want (I00-200mg/WEEK).
This would also allow you to extend your cycle to 12 weeks if you wanted to.
The Proviron can be ran up to 12 weeks, so you might could get just a little more out of your cycle. Most guys say they don't really get a lot of gains after the 10-12 Week mark though.
It’s not gonna hurt to have a little more test, but I don’t think you should go over 500mg/WEEK for your first cycle.
Personally, I think 300mg/WEEK is plenty, and you will have the Dbol to kickstart your cycle while the TEST E is beginning to work.


So, You're looking at a 10 week cycle that looks like this:

TEST E: 300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300 Split into 2 doses Weekly

Dbol: 30/40/40/40 ED (Every Day) - That's 105 tabs, so u will b 5 short (no big deal).

PROVIRON: 50/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100 ED (Every Day)


Also, if you want to learn more about IGF1-LR3, just click on the “Peptides” forum, and you will find everything you need.
I highly recommend getting some to run with your cycle. It will also compound your results!
It is extremely safe. It is a peptide, not an AAS.
It will help keep you lean and vascular and give you crazy pumps in the gym!
I plan on running it for at least the next 6 months.
I think it is the best supp you can take. Like I said, it is safe, and IT CREATES NEW MUSCLE CELLS! I promise you will love it!

Anyway, best of luck with everything man. I wish you success with your first cycle. Hit me up any time you have any questions, and Be safe!

 

[j128]

1.) Although I agree with Jo_seef, I still think you will have a more steady flow of TEST if you split your dose. I would.
2.) Yes. It would be like running a harsh oral for 12 WEEKS! Don’t do it man!
You also need to get some TUDCA or UDCA to protect your liver.
I hope you know how important your liver is.
3.) Yes. Proviron can help with E2 binding, but does cause an increase in DHT.
If you’re not prone to Male Pattern Baldness, this shouldn’t be an issue for you.
I say why not with the proviron.
It will give you the fat burning properties you are looking for, and it is very synergistic with other AAS, especially TEST. Meaning, it will compound your results!
I would start at 50mg/ED for the first week, then go to 100mg/ED for the remainder of the cycle.
I always start low with new compounds just to make sure I don’t have some crazy reation (you never know).

What is your plan for AI during your cycle?
You're gonna need some, especially with the Dbol!
I would run the ADEX @ .5mg/EOD (Every Other Day) for the ENTIRE cycle.

Anyway, I think that looks like a great first cycle!
If you don’t mind pinning EOD, I would also say you could add a small amount of TEST PROP if you want (I00-200mg/WEEK).
This would also allow you to extend your cycle to 12 weeks if you wanted to.
The Proviron can be ran up to 12 weeks, so you might could get just a little more out of your cycle. Most guys say they don't really get a lot of gains after the 10-12 Week mark though.
It’s not gonna hurt to have a little more test, but I don’t think you should go over 500mg/WEEK for your first cycle.
Personally, I think 300mg/WEEK is plenty, and you will have the Dbol to kickstart your cycle while the TEST E is beginning to work.


So, You're looking at a 10 week cycle that looks like this:

TEST E: 300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300/300 Split into 2 doses Weekly

Dbol: 30/40/40/40 ED (Every Day) - That's 105 tabs, so u will b 5 short (no big deal).

PROVIRON: 50/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100 ED (Every Day)


Also, if you want to learn more about IGF1-LR3, just click on the “Peptides” forum, and you will find everything you need.
I highly recommend getting some to run with your cycle. It will also compound your results!
It is extremely safe. It is a peptide, not an AAS.
It will help keep you lean and vascular and give you crazy pumps in the gym!
I plan on running it for at least the next 6 months.
I think it is the best supp you can take. Like I said, it is safe, and IT CREATES NEW MUSCLE CELLS! I promise you will love it!

Anyway, best of luck with everything man. I wish you success with your first cycle. Hit me up any time you have any questions, and Be safe!

Thanks man! I will buy a bunch of stuff to protect the liver for sure, as I know its importance. So I'll start with test e 300 mg/5-7days, dbol 30mg/ed and arimidex 0.25mg/eod. Will add more AI if I see any gyno. Will do a test for liver toxicity after a month, if everything is OK, might add stanozolol. I have less proviron, so will add it to the cycle after a 3-4 weeks. No prop for now. Will do a second cycle with prop.
Starting from tomorrow!