There is NO SUCH THING as mail privacy.

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46and2aheadofme

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I keep reading posts by people who seem to be under the impression that postal inspectors must obtain warrants to search USPS, UPS, and/or FedEx mail. This is simply FALSE. Way back in 1878, the Supreme Court, in Ex Parte Jackson, decided that we, as citizens, have the right to mail privacy under the fourth amendment. However, this interpretation of the constitution had little effect on the legislative branch of our government, which passed laws that slowly but surely eroded away any power that that decision had.

Domestic:
The only remaining class of mail that requires a warrant to open is USPS First Class mail, and postal inspectors can get such a warrant quickly for almost no reason whatsoever. The only reason that we have even this meager privacy is a remnant of old code mandating that the USPS retain one class of mail which cannot be opened without a warrant in order to protect private letters. Why do you think Priority Mail packages are nearly the same cost as First Class packages? So the Postal Inspectors don't have to even bother getting a warrant, although it's easy as pie to do so anyway. Think about it, so few people now use First Class for packages that it would raise instant suspicion, and the Inspector can just make up whatever wild-eyed reason for "suspicion" that they like to obtain the warrant. Private companies such as UPS and FedEx also reserve the right to inspect without a warrant in their contract with the sender.

International:
The Customs Service is empowered to search without a warrant all inbound international mail handled by the USPS, and packages and letters handled by private carriers (FedEx and UPS). This power supposedly derives from the traditional authority of the sovereign to protect its borders against inbound contraband, and to collect duties on inbound freight. The Customs Service is actually currently seeking to expand this authority to enable it to search outbound mail handled by the USPS without a warrant, any form of judicial supervision, and any evidence of crime. Even "reasonable suspicion" of crime would not have to be found. If this proposal becomes law, there would be no way for a person in the United States to send a private letter to a person outside the United States.

Moral: Forget it folks, there is NO right to privacy with regards to mail, whether international or domestic. Sorry to rant, just wanted to clear that up.

Regards,
46
 
46and2aheadofme said:

Domestic:
The only remaining class of mail that requires a warrant to open is USPS First Class mail, and postal inspectors can get such a warrant quickly for almost no reason whatsoever.......

No doubt about it, any judge would hand out a warrant in a second.


46and2aheadofme said:

....Private companies such as UPS and FedEx also reserve the right to inspect without a warrant in their contract with the sender.


Good point, after 9-11 warrants are issued like lolly pops at the bank.


Good post 46and2aheadofme!
 
good read....i still will send and receive anything UPS before i get something sent thru USPS....y put the fuckin package in there hands ?? thats all i am saying
 
Good read 46.. let's face it.. when it comes to privacy, there is none unless you keep it in your home and never tell anyone.. human nature is to talk.. (especially after a few drinks)... people like to brag about what they have, done, or can do, or know...

Here's an anology...

A bank wants to led you money at great low rates, WHEN you don't need it... When you are in DIRE need of funds, you can't get anything anywhere.. and if you can, it aint cheap..

(privacy is only yours when you have nothing you want to keep private... when there is something you want to keep to yourself.. chances are.. at least 1 other person knows) ...

(... ok, I've had a drink or two already, and it aint even friday.. lol... )
 
yeah no shit... no emails anymore? .. you don't love me? ...

;)

J/K bro... I tell it like it is... even if common sense makes no sense at all!
 
Good and informative read. The fact that first class mail is the only sort requiring a warrant is very interesting.
 
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