2nd cycle

gearheaded said:

OP , you need to COMMIT to cutting . Your cycle is not the best cutting cycle, and your last post states that your strength is up 15% .. do you really think that if you were committed to cutting that your strength would be UP 15% ? no of course not. your strength is up because of all the water and weight you gained from the start of the cycle (again thats not cutting brother). sure your getting a little bit from the anaboics but still it wouldn't be that profound a few weeks in especially in a calorie deficit.

couple points
- you did not need to front load a cut cycle with test prop with test e as a base (thats classic bulking protocols).. should of just low dose Test from day one
- I see nothing in your cycle that promotes lipolysis directly (no Clen, no T3, no HGH, no Yohimbe) .. all I see is a bunch of testosterone. you could of just got by with way less anabolics and test and used only 200mg test per week, 500mg NPP, 50mg a day Var and then add a fat burner.

but again I don't think your committed to a cut. no one that is serious about a cut is so concerned about getting stronger like you are.

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Good points.
I am on cut
Test prop 50mg ev day
Tren a 75mg then 100 ev day
Mast prop 125mg everyday
Proviron 100mg everyday
Avar 50mg pre-workout
Nolva 10mg a day
Aromasin 12.5 eod
T3/t4 50mcg of each
Hgh 5iu a day

I upped test prop to 100 a day got so dry elbow tendonitis started.

I an losing fat after my 2nd vial of
tprop/mprop/tren a 300 or 100 of each

Back to prop at 50 a day resr same with halo.
It will be this week Thurs maybe.
Water will fall off and I will have drive get killer pumps but strength is already down and will go down more .
But gear will drive me to push.

I have stayed same top strength for years and years but muscle needs water and lots of glycogen for strength

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Muscle mechanic said:

Good points.
I am on cut
Test prop 50mg ev day
Tren a 75mg then 100 ev day
Mast prop 125mg everyday
Proviron 100mg everyday
Avar 50mg pre-workout
Nolva 10mg a day
Aromasin 12.5 eod
T3/t4 50mcg of each
Hgh 5iu a day

I upped test prop to 100 a day got so dry elbow tendonitis started.

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now thats a proper cut cycle !

for me and my body , I'd of just kept the test prop at 50mg every day (or better yet just test e at 250mg a week).. test is the only thing in your stack that aromatizes, and if you keep the dose low enough you wouldn't need the Nolva and hardly any AI as well (letting your estrogen elevate just a bit would help the joints by lowering your AI).. also, being your running both Masteron and Proviron, both those compounds have a strong affinity to SHBG, so your going to free up a ton more testosterone then normal with those compounds and thats why you could get by running as low as 200mg a week of test and still get good testosterone/androgen effects out of it (while still keeping aromatization at a minimum).

BUT sounds like your trying to get super 'dry' too, so keeping your estrogen on the very low side is ideal for that , but again you wouldn't want to add more Test (NPP added in the mix would help the joints and you'd be able to keep estrogen super low with that as well)

For fat loss are you breaking up your HGH dose throughout the day or taking it all at one time ? 2iu first thing in the morning with fasted cardio, then another 3iu pari-workout would be my protocol for fat loss with 5iu's of GH (I'd micro dose some insulin with that too to get an IGF spike as well as use it to lower blood sugar and force me to burn more fat.. I'm talking only 1-2iu slin)

gearheaded said:

now thats a proper cut cycle !

for me and my body , I'd of just kept the test prop at 50mg every day (or better yet just test e at 250mg a week).. test is the only thing in your stack that aromatizes, and if you keep the dose low enough you wouldn't need the Nolva and hardly any AI as well (letting your estrogen elevate just a bit would help the joints by lowering your AI).. also, being your running both Masteron and Proviron, both those compounds have a strong affinity to SHBG, so your going to free up a ton more testosterone then normal with those compounds and thats why you could get by running as low as 200mg a week of test and still get good testosterone/androgen effects out of it (while still keeping aromatization at a minimum).

BUT sounds like your trying to get super 'dry' too, so keeping your estrogen on the very low side is ideal for that , but again you wouldn't want to add more Test (NPP added in the mix would help the joints and you'd be able to keep estrogen super low with that as well)

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Hope OP doesn't mind us in his thread but it's info to learn being his 2nd cycle.

I had my test prop at 50mg per day starting cut but....
I been pinning daily since August with primo, prop, sust, and mast prop on lean bulk.

I got a blend 2 vials
testp/mastp/trena 300mg/ml 100 of each.

I used it to cut down on oil ml a while.
Almost done with 2nd vial and with change
Ratio to
test p 50 everyday
Tren a 75-100 everyday
Mast prop 125-150mg everyday
Primo e 75mg everyday

Everything else same.
But will cut aromasin.

I just did this cut to lean up go into holidays lean and eating healthy





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im adding var the last 6 weeks of the cycle.. t3 will be added as well
dont want to mess with clen for now

Muscle mechanic said:

Hope OP doesn't mind us in his thread but it's info to learn being his 2nd cycle.

I had my test prop at 50mg per day starting cut but....
I been pinning daily since August with primo, prop, sust, and mast prop on lean bulk.

I got a blend 2 vials
testp/mastp/trena 300mg/ml 100 of each.

I used it to cut down on oil ml a while.
Almost done with 2nd vial and with change
Ratio to
test p 50 everyday
Tren a 75-100 everyday
Mast prop 125-150mg everyday
Primo e 75mg everyday

Everything else same.
But will cut aromasin.

I just did this cut to lean up go into holidays lean and eating healthy





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No brother, I don’t mind you or anyone’s opinion. You are not offending me in any way and opinions from people with experience is welcomed. I will take yours and gearhead into consideration since you guys know what your talking about.

@gearhead

bro, I tried T3 on my last cycle. I think T3 messed me up cause as soon as I stopped taking it I gained fat in record time. It’s been 5 months and my metabolism is still low. I tapered it like many forums suggests it but still mess me up. On T3 I can drop fat but don’t want to screw my thyroid up so winging it without T3. Clean I’m a little shy of it. Might give it a go by next cycle. I’m leaning more to GW and might add it in 2 weeks and see how that goes

Miguels said:

@gearhead

bro, I tried T3 on my last cycle. I think T3 messed me up cause as soon as I stopped taking it I gained fat in record time. It’s been 5 months and my metabolism is still low. I tapered it like many forums suggests it but still mess me up. On T3 I can drop fat but don’t want to screw my thyroid up so winging it without T3. Clean I’m a little shy of it. Might give it a go by next cycle. I’m leaning more to GW and might add it in 2 weeks and see how that goes

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Most peoples Thyroid bounces right back after taking T3 (different mechanism of action then the HPTA and testosterone shut down and is easily recovered)..
I personally do not recommend the taper method. When your done taking T3 then come right off as soon as possible, ,tapering the dose lower over time will do nothing but slow your metabolism down.

I'm guessing you gained some fat and your metabolism slowed down simply because you did use the taper method and because of the diet itself ,, being in a calorie deficit for a cut for months at a time will slow your 'natural' metabolism down, you were artifically increasing your metabolism with the drug T3 , but when you came off your metabolism went back to its normal state, which would be much slower because of the calorie restricted diet ..

I advise doing 're-feeds' and diet breaks often in order to keep your metabolism rolling at a good pace.. at this point you may need to reverse diet for a bit and get the metabolism cranked back up ,, then you can go back to a cut diet and implement re-feeds and diet breaks.

I think that is really all that is going on and that the T3 did not "mess you up"

gearheaded said:

Most peoples Thyroid bounces right back after taking T3 (different mechanism of action then the HPTA and testosterone shut down and is easily recovered)..
I personally do not recommend the taper method. When your done taking T3 then come right off as soon as possible, ,tapering the dose lower over time will do nothing but slow your metabolism down.

I'm guessing you gained some fat and your metabolism slowed down simply because you did use the taper method and because of the diet itself ,, being in a calorie deficit for a cut for months at a time will slow your 'natural' metabolism down, you were artifically increasing your metabolism with the drug T3 , but when you came off your metabolism went back to its normal state, which would be much slower because of the calorie restricted diet ..

I advise doing 're-feeds' and diet breaks often in order to keep your metabolism rolling at a good pace.. at this point you may need to reverse diet for a bit and get the metabolism cranked back up ,, then you can go back to a cut diet and implement re-feeds and diet breaks.

I think that is really all that is going on and that the T3 did not "mess you up"

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Agree.
But my deal is why stop taking it.
I take t3/t4 mix I will stop before TRT bloods but really 50mcg t3/t4 50mcg is all I take.
Hgh suppresses
I will try 100mcg of t4

If i am low my Dr can put me on it.
Most people take thyroid treatments on their own.

BUT thyroid is always a working functioning gland it isn't shut down it just regulates output and most often will keep up with the stimulation giving with extra t3 after stopping.

Unless a true thyroid issue was already going on taking t3 will not cause one!!

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I’m starting T3 next week...so dont tapper on and off? going dose 3x per day up to 100 mcg.. first thing in the morning pre workout and before bed. Hopefully the gear helps maintain some muscle. Probably boost my protein and lower my carbs a little more to maybe 80g

Miguels said:

I’m starting T3 next week...so dont tapper on and off? going dose 3x per day up to 100 mcg.. first thing in the morning pre workout and before bed. Hopefully the gear helps maintain some muscle. Probably boost my protein and lower my carbs a little more to maybe 80g

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Please DO NOT DO THAT!!!!

U should take T3 50mcg in morning!!!
This will be affective.
It's better to take t3/t4 mix 50mcg of each.

U should assess tolerance before going up.
And it all should be taken in morning before a meal or any drink but water for at least 20-30 minutes or it may not absorb.

T3/t4 mix better because t4 will convert over to more t3(active hormone later)

My opinion is to not ever go over 120mcg of t3 ever.
And my option is to find comfortable dose and stay at it until desired weight is lost.

If u use 50-100mg mcg it should be well more than enough and anabolic steroids will hold muscle and t3 give more of metabolism to feed muscle by turning over more food to shuttle to muscles

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I am using Pharma Grade T3/t4 mix.
And it's very very cheap to obtain.


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Read an article that said to do 3 dosages for maximum results. It’s about keeping t3 leveled throughout the day. I only have 1 source of t3 and don’t even know if it’s legit t3

Muscle mechanic said:

Please DO NOT DO THAT!!!!

U should take T3 50mcg in morning!!!

And it all should be taken in morning before a meal or any drink but water for at least 20-30 minutes or it may not absorb.


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Make sure you see this gem again. You must take T3 on an empty stomach!! That is why you take it first thing in the morning.

Okay.. I’ll be picking up some T3 in a few weeks and give it a try and stack it with the Anavar.. the weight doesn’t move much but starting to get the powerlifter look. Not the look I’m going for but it’s way better than what I looked like last year. I have girls at work touch my arms and they are amazed that it feels like I have no fat. They just say too bad I don’t look like how I feel lol I’m getting solid and haven’t even got on tren yet. I need to work on my cardio. My cardio has been lacking really bad. I get bored of it and the shin pumps are making it even harder. I’m just not too committed to cardio at this moment but know it’s needed to achieve fat lose.

Forgot to say that the last 2 weeks I’ve been getting back pumps on a daily bases. Bend over for a few seconds and feel like I’ve being doing lower back exercises. Today I’m getting them just sitting at my desk and leaning forward. The cramps are also getting worse. I haven’t gotten them the past few nights so I get to sleep but if I flex or something I get a nasty cramp. I tried eating bananas and drinking 2 gallons of water and it does nothing for cramps

Cleaned up my diet and dropped 13 lbs this week. Did not take any fat burners or T3 and still dropped a lot.. started the second half of my cycle with 50mg of tren Ed end it’s workig for me. No bad sides yet on sleepless nights or sweating like crazy at night. My cardio went to shit but seems like what I do double or triples in calories burned. Somehow strength is still up from when I started.

Miguels said:

Cycle update

the day after I posted this thread the hunger went away. Most the sugar I consumed was from milk and that’s about the only sugar I’m consuming. Also stopped eating fruit high in sugar.. the weight has started to melt away the last 2 day.. this is actually a good cutting cycle.

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It amazes me how many people do not understand this still to this day about fruits! Good for you brutha!!

the weight i now dropping fast.. down 18 lbs the last 2 weeks

second time on tren and it going better with less sides than last time and im pinning more of it.. no night sweats or anything. first time i was getting high blood pressure by the 3rd week

15 days later and im down 27 lbs.. topped tren las week but seem to keep losing fat.. im down 27 lbs this month and still got 2 more weeks to go on cycle.. i added lgd and ostarine from mc so dont know if thats helping shed fat.. not to mention due to holidays i only worked out 4 days in 14 days so not bad.. if its the lgd and ostarin making me drop weight im going to get me more