Longterm Tren Use?

I am planning out my next cycle which is going to be pretty extensive. Right now Test and EQ are definite and am thinking of a third. I am debating between Tren Enan and Deca. The cycle itself will be 6+ monthes, possibly as long as a year. If I use the Tren, it will be taken at 150-200mg/wk; the Deca at 400mg/wk. I have two questions for y'all :

1. Even with this dosage, will it still be a bad idea to be using it for such an extensive period? I have used tren in the past @ 75mg ED for 4wks (PVL) and did not have a single problem with it, not even night sweats.

2. Would the Deca just be a better idea/more effective used at that dosage compared to the dosage of Tren, or will the Tren still blow the Deca away as far as mass & strength go?

Thanks for the help folks.

dont do it..your kidneys will thank you

Yeah, i would say no also. Tren is very harsh and prolonged use could cause uneccesary damage.

I've ran it for up to 15 weeks without problems.

I regularly run it 10 weeks w/ no problem.

Personally I wouldn't cause deca doesn't require eod or ed shots.
If you do though, at lease get a lot of hcg cause you will be shut down no matter what you use.

I would shy away from the deca for so long. You may never recover.

Also, for the tren, why not run it 6 on 6 off or 8 on 8 off throughout?

BiggerStronger said:

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jaywooly said:

I would shy away from the deca for so long. You may never recover.

Also, for the tren, why not run it 6 on 6 off or 8 on 8 off throughout?

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Hmmm, I would think it would not be any worse than running a high dose of test for this long....since the test has already shut you down...?

Also, then would running EQ that long not be a good idea either? They seem to be "cousin compounds" altho different drugs.

I say use the deca, you could also use D-bol 4 weeks on 4 weeks off, just make sure to get blood work Big A has suggested this to me and it sounds good. But then again you could also use Tren on and off throughout, just make sure to get blood work regularly.

both deca and tren seem to shut people down pretty badly. I wouldn't suggest anything more than 12-15 weeks of either. Preferably lower if you're going to choose tren. If you do decide to use tren for extended periods of time make sure you take all of the proper precautions and get blood work done regularly.

Tren and Deca can both shut down your dick - so I wouldn't stack them together. You could simply alternate using them - 8 weeks of tren, 8 weeks of deca. But that might still be a bit harsh for a 6 month cycle

The EQ sounds like a great idea as it makes slow, quality gains. Just make sure you check your BP regularly as EQ can inflate your BP over time.

I would not use orals on a 6 month cycle (unless it is anavar or proviron). In fact, you could also add proviron or masteron to this as they both work synergistically with test and you get more bang from test allowing you to use less test for the same results and thus get fewer sides. Proviron is a mild anti-e, and it is safe on the liver. Masteron and Deca are supposed to minimize the impact of Eq on your BP.

Get bloodwork done and get your BP tested throughout. Take some liver protectants. Drink plenty of whater and cranberry juice.

deca and tren are derivatives or nortestosterone and they are both prolactins not good to run together you'll get progesterone induced gyno why the hell would you want to run a cycle for a year Your receptors are going to be saturated and you'll be making no progress at all after 12 weeks, all you'll be doing is giving yourself a smaller chance of recovery and well it's just stupid as fuck to do something like this

I would like to clear up a few misconceptions about progesterone and gynecomastia.

Their is absolutely no steroid that aromatizes into progesterone. The reason for this is that progesteron does not have an aromatic A ring. So toss that myth out the window. Tren? Deca? Sorry but it just doesn't happen.

Now Tren and Deca bind pretty well to the PR. They are progestins in their own right without undergoing any structural changes, but their affinity is MUCH weaker than progesterone itself. Even more so when nandrolone is reduced by 5-alpha reductase into DHN. Their is a small chance of progestogenic activity that could aid in manifesting a mass in the mammry IF estrogen is present in supraphysiological amounts, without proper ratio to testosterone but I have never see a documented case of progestogenic gynecomastia. The reason for this is that the PR has two isoforms. The PR-A and PR-B. PR-B mediates stimulatory effects of progestins; PR-A which is bound with progestins or anti-progestins inhibits PR-B, and PR-A is dominant,. The response to progesterone is determined by the relative expression of the two isoforms.

There is a direct relationship between the PR isoforms and steroid concentrations an this direct relationship suggests high progesterone concentrations, but this will induce the expression of PR-A, which represses transcription of PR-B, which in turn supresses PR function and progestin effect
With initial administration of nandrolone or it's dirivitives, I could see an expression of PR-B but a rapid rise in PR-A will ultimately supress the function of the PR. IMO, you would need a high ratio of the two before concerns, and this is a bit more of a possiblity with the begining of administration. In this time of vulnerability, rest assured in aromatase inhibitors as progesterone is an E2 agonist so the utilization of an AI will help. I personally don't think the concern is warranted though

Their are 4 combinations of hormones that cause gyno- Estrogen, Progesterone, Prolactin, and IGF. Nandrolone is a weak progestin, which agonizes the PRL, it also raises IGF. Progesterone induced gyno is not really of a concern given binding affinity to the PR and the mechanism of the two isoforms. The production of prolactin is a deffinate risk. Not only can it be an inductor for gyno along side estrogen, IGF, and pogesterone; this chance is increased as prolactn lowers testosterone. So you need to make sure to take proper precautions to not only keep estrogen in check, but prolactin as well.

Its been 6 weeks off prop / tren and I still have very yellow piss. Besides that though, no sides running 100 ed for 6 weeks. I'll do it again soon.

Reading over this post again now i have to agree with FreakNasty, i think you would make FAR more progress by doing a couple smaller cycles and cycling the drugs you use. You could be on for 8 weeks off for 4 then on for another 8 then off for 4, i think you'll just over saturate your receptor sites, and all gains will come to a halt, then because of severe HPTA inhibition you will have a hard time holdig onto that new muscle. But since your already on the cycle i'd suggest a cortisol/estrogen suppression phase to help keep your gains and help your body adjust to the new muscle mass, so here it is:

Week 1: Cytadren 250mg 2xd, 2 days on 2 days off, Arimidex 0.5mg 4xd, Nolvadex 20mg Am & PM

Week 2:Cytadren 250mg 3xd, 2 days on 2 days off, Arimidex 0.5mg 4xd, Nolvadex 20mg Am & PM

Week 3: Cytadren 250mg 3xd, 2 days on 2 days off, Arimidex 0.5mg 3xd, Nolvadex 20mg Am & PM

Week 4: Cytadren 250mg 2xd, 2 days on 2 days off, Arimidex 0.5mg 2xd, Nolvadex 20mg Am & PM


This will actually lower cortisol and estrogen SO much that your HPTA will be able to slowly creep back to normal. Ultra HOt by ALRI industries would also be an EXCELLENT addition to this, it contains a substance known at ATD which has shown to be more effect than HCG+Clomid for PCT. So use the above cycle with 3-6 caps Ultra Hot before bed.