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    Default Nolva Bloat vs. Anti Estro vs. Aqua Dex



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    Nolva Bloat is anti gyno and pct but what are the uses for Anti Estro and Aqua Dex?? Can they be used to combat gyno also?? Is there any benefit over the Nolva Bloat?? Thanks
     

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    nolva-bloat will compete for the estrogen receptor with free floating estrogen, another words its best when symptoms of gyno are already present like puffyness,itchy ect

    while aqua-dex and anti-estro both stop the aromitization of testosterone to estrogen altogether so they are best before any symptoms occur.

    you can tell what each is by their listed doses as well
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    Great stuff. If it were me I would use aqua-dex or anit-estro (anti-P if needed also) during the cycle and nolva or clomid after the cycle. Just my opinion though. Everyone has different theories on the anti estros.
     

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    Anti-p = caber?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by meow View Post
    Anti-p = caber?
    LOL, do you know what 5mg of caber would do to you? You'd be fucking everything that moved, multiple times, shooting peter north loads.
    It' would be a fuckin massacre, ROFL!
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    Would the aqua-dex or Anti-estro, used during the cycle, limit your gains? I used test with aromasin my last cycle and my gains stalled out pretty quickly. So, for someone like me who doesn't even know if I'm susceptible to gyno, would I be better off running the test solo and just having the nolva-bloat on hand in case?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox 51 View Post
    Would the aqua-dex or Anti-estro, used during the cycle, limit your gains? I used test with aromasin my last cycle and my gains stalled out pretty quickly. So, for someone like me who doesn't even know if I'm susceptible to gyno, would I be better off running the test solo and just having the nolva-bloat on hand in case?
    i would make sure to have it on hand bro and im pretty sure everyone is susceptable to gyno bro, when its ur time its ur time,lol
     

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    So, would I be safe having the nolva on hand and using after symptoms appear, or is it better to sacrifice some gains and run the aqua-dex with my cycle?
     

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    i dont think gains are sacrificed when running dex alongside a cycle. the choice is urs brutha
     

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    I have always heard that the extra water and estrogen are good for gains. So go without the anti e if your not having problems. But I always have gyno flare up when on cycle so I always run nolva and anti p so I can not say from experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    I have always heard that the extra water and estrogen are good for gains. So go without the anti e if your not having problems. But I always have gyno flare up when on cycle so I always run nolva and anti p so I can not say from experience.
    correct ur body needs estrogen, ans yes water bloat(in the muscles) will give u more strength to push heavier weights which in turn tears the muscle fiber up deeper building more muscle , atleast thats what i was always taught,lmao
     

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    Along this line if I were going to use a high end pro-hormone cycle and already have some gyno (runs in family) then which of these products or combo of products would be the best to use during/after the cycle to maximize results and perhaps shed some of the chest fat?
     

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    aqua dex is great stuff...nova bloat the girl uses for getting leaner and holding less water ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchliftn View Post
    Along this line if I were going to use a high end pro-hormone cycle and already have some gyno (runs in family) then which of these products or combo of products would be the best to use during/after the cycle to maximize results and perhaps shed some of the chest fat?
    if you already have gyno symptons now then you will need nolva bro. And if you dont have any symptons currently and you just want to stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen , then you will want either anti-estro(letrozole) or Aqua-dex(arimiadex)

    If you have current gyno symptons and are still running a cycle of gear or a prohormone that converts to estrogen, then your best bet is to grab both bro, the nolva to stop the current gyno by competing with the estrogen for the receptor, and i would also run one of the other 2 i listed to prevent the test 2 estro conversion from happening during your cycle

    hope that helps brutha, if u have any other questions just ask
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    if you already have gyno symptons now then you will need nolva bro. And if you dont have any symptons currently and you just want to stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen , then you will want either anti-estro(letrozole) or Aqua-dex(arimiadex)

    If you have current gyno symptons and are still running a cycle of gear or a prohormone that converts to estrogen, then your best bet is to grab both bro, the nolva to stop the current gyno by competing with the estrogen for the receptor, and i would also run one of the other 2 i listed to prevent the test 2 estro conversion from happening during your cycle

    hope that helps brutha, if u have any other questions just ask

    Sure does, looks like another order is in order! I can't choose my genetics but I will try to deal with them the best I can with the help on here, thanks!

    Also I thought I read somewhere that letro and nolva together actually can reverse some existing gyno to some degree, is that true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchliftn View Post
    Sure does, looks like another order is in order! I can't choose my genetics but I will try to deal with them the best I can with the help on here, thanks!
    yep it is what it is,lol. Happy to help brutha
     

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    I'm 100% not susceptible to gyno, but my face gets fat as fuck and I hate it. I love the Aqua dex and Nolva bloat together. Doesn't limit my gains, just makes me tighter. I'm not taking AAS to gain water. I want to know how much real muscle I have and I'm gaining.
    My girl loves the Nolva Bloat. Now I can't get her to stop bugging me about getting her more.
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    So, Dude and Chris, both of your ladies like the Nolva bloat? What does it do for them, just limit the water weight they naturally carry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    yep it is what it is,lol. Happy to help brutha

    So after some research it seems some have had success reducing (even eliminating) gyno with letro but at higher doses say 2.5 mg vs .25 mg or so normal dose.

    I plan to do a cycle of a sponsors M1-T and both nolva and either letro or arim plus igf-1.

    Also these are used PCT but in my case (additional gyno worries) I would be using them for both.

    What would be a reasonable dose for them during and pct?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    I'm 100% not susceptible to gyno, but my face gets fat as fuck and I hate it. I love the Aqua dex and Nolva bloat together. Doesn't limit my gains, just makes me tighter. I'm not taking AAS to gain water. I want to know how much real muscle I have and I'm gaining.
    My girl loves the Nolva Bloat. Now I can't get her to stop bugging me about getting her more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchliftn View Post
    So after some research it seems some have had success reducing (even eliminating) gyno with letro but at higher doses say 2.5 mg vs .25 mg or so normal dose.

    I plan to do a cycle of a sponsors M1-T and both nolva and either letro or arim plus igf-1.

    Also these are used PCT but in my case (additional gyno worries) I would be using them for both.

    What would be a reasonable dose for them during and pct?
    This is true, I just got off using letro, but you cant run it to long cause of joint pain and starts to eat away at the muscle too if ran too long. Didnt have that problem but that is what i was told so just becareful with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchliftn View Post
    So after some research it seems some have had success reducing (even eliminating) gyno with letro but at higher doses say 2.5 mg vs .25 mg or so normal dose.

    I plan to do a cycle of a sponsors M1-T and both nolva and either letro or arim plus igf-1.

    Also these are used PCT but in my case (additional gyno worries) I would be using them for both.

    What would be a reasonable dose for them during and pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox 51 View Post
    IGF is great, you will really like it. Are you getting the M1-T from Cybersupplementz? Let me know how you like it, I've been considering it for myself.
    Yep just ordered it yesterday and will hopefully have it in a week and start. Had some Androsterone XL but figured the M1-T was likely much better. If the CS M1-T can only be used for a few weeks like the old M1-T (never did it just read that) may use the Andro as a bridge the last several weeks.

    Kinda torn as to which other anti-e to use with the Nolva may get both just to have on hand and do the Letro at the end as the arim seems to be a little safer - I already have achy joints sometimes but do like the idea that the letro can get rid of existing gyno, but don't want to sacrifice any gains. Could always dose some of that later after a break by itself at the higher dosage to see if it will work for me.

    Will definitely try to keep track of progress and perhaps take some pics, they wont compare to most on here though!
     

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    Hi guys I know this thread is a couple of years old but the info has been really helpful as I am just about to run some aqua dex. Can anyone recommend a dosage for me and how long to run it please? How long does it take to start working as I've been on M1T for four weeks now and have the bloat big time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showtime25 View Post
    This is true, I just got off using letro, but you cant run it to long cause of joint pain and starts to eat away at the muscle too if ran too long. Didnt have that problem but that is what i was told so just becareful with it.

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    It's a great ass right lol, I've been out the picture for a while, I moved from the panhandle and back down to south Florida. But will be back posting and chilling with the MC fam again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Showtime25 View Post
    It's a great ass right lol, I've been out the picture for a while, I moved from the panhandle and back down to south Florida. But will be back posting and chilling with the MC fam again
    good to hear from ya again brutha
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    bump....... for people not not familiar with Nolva bloat/Aqua-Dex like me.
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    good bump bro...made make an order..
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    I'm currently running:

    40mg/ED NOLVA-BLOAT
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    I have a lump under my right nipple that flared up about a month ago.
    It's not visible, but it was tender to the touch, and a little painful.
    This is a first for me...

    The regimen listed above has caused the pain to completely subside.
    Also, the lump has gone from the size of an almond to the size of a peanut within just a couple of weeks.
    I'm hoping it will be completely gone with this treatment, because surgery is REALLY expensive.
    It is definitely possible to reverse Gyno with this type of treatment (if the products are legit), and at this rate it will be gone soon!
    It's just a matter of time.

    I also had an issue with "Puffy" nipples during another cycle when I was running Trestolone.
    I didn't realize it was a 19-nor compound, so I did not have any ANTI-P on hand.
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    Treatment took a few weeks, but the puffiness completely subsided.
    That was my first cycle, and my first experience with Gyno.
    It really freaked me out, but thankfully I got exactly what I needed to correct the problem, and all was well!
    That was such a relief!

    I also run AQUA-DEX while on every cycle to combat gyno.
    I usually run it @ .5mg/EOD, but it is impossible to know exactly where to run it without getting regular Blood Work.
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    Highly agree brother..............! Now if we can only get presser to auction off those black speedos like he's been teasing us about for some time now!
     

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    LOL! Highly agree brother!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by d12hazz View Post
    Highly agree brother..............! Now if we can only get presser to auction off those black speedos like he's been teasing us about for some time now!
    lmao, you guys are dicks! lol
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    Good refresher course for MC products. I thought there was a fat loss product, though...maybe it's long been discontinued?
     

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    i use the aqua dex myself it fit all my neeeds
     

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    Do you have a regimen or use as needed

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    yes, as mentioned above, and for those who dont know, woman can use these as well to take away that added bloat! many women use them for their show prep, and getting lean and dry
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    Great stuff with fast shipping!!

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