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    Hello guys.
    im going to take dbol, deca and testE for the first cycle.
    I知 not sure how much I should take and when.
    can anybody advice me about those gears?
    also I知 taking pct arimidex/ nolvedex. do I need others?

    Thank you.
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    Dianabol daily @ 25mg
    nandrolone decanoate 400mg week
    Testosterone enanthate 400mg week

    The arimidex is also during cycle to prevent aromitization. The nolvadex is more of an ON HAND ITEM incase anything gets past your arimidex and you start experiencing estrogen related symptoms.


    I would take HCG throughout the cycle as well.
    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
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    Dbol at 25mg/day is a good starting point. My first cycle (many years ago) was 50mg/day dbol only with no test, no estro suppression. By week 4 I was ready to kill myself and my balls shrunk to marbles. Looks like you did your research but if you find you're retaining too much water you might try switching to test cyp next cycle. Seems like since I switched from E my gains are leaner and don't have as much bloat.

    How much/often do you plan to take the adex?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Dianabol daily @ 25mg
    nandrolone decanoate 400mg week
    Testosterone enanthate 400mg week

    The arimidex is also during cycle to prevent aromitization. The nolvadex is more of an ON HAND ITEM incase anything gets past your arimidex and you start experiencing estrogen related symptoms.


    I would take HCG throughout the cycle as well.
    How to Run HCG during a steroid cycle and post cycle dosages
    Thank you for the quick reply.
    I heard Dbol and deca is a great combination.
    Some say dbol and test/-4weeks and deca and test/4weeks-12weeks is great to start. I知 not sure if I need to devide dbol and deca.
    Dbol needs Deca or Deca needs Dbol?
    How about only deca and TestE cycle?

    also about HCG. Hcg causes gyno right? Arimidex during cycle and clomid and nolvadex for PCT is not enough for balls shrunk?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullytorqued View Post
    Dbol at 25mg/day is a good starting point. My first cycle (many years ago) was 50mg/day dbol only with no test, no estro suppression. By week 4 I was ready to kill myself and my balls shrunk to marbles. Looks like you did your research but if you find you're retaining too much water you might try switching to test cyp next cycle. Seems like since I switched from E my gains are leaner and don't have as much bloat.

    How much/often do you plan to take the adex?
    Did you care of liver when you used Dbol only?
    Ok I understand testE retains water.

    I plan to take arimidex 0.5mg/eod
    also plan to take nolvadex only or clomid and nolvadex for PCT.
    Any advice?
     

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    Test/Deca/Dbol is a nice cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physiqueken View Post
    Thank you for the quick reply.
    I heard Dbol and deca is a great combination.
    Some say dbol and test/-4weeks and deca and test/4weeks-12weeks is great to start. I’m not sure if I need to devide dbol and deca.
    Dbol needs Deca or Deca needs Dbol?
    How about only deca and TestE cycle?

    also about HCG. Hcg causes gyno right? Arimidex during cycle and clomid and nolvadex for PCT is not enough for balls shrunk?
    no HCG doesnt cause gyno, did you read the link i put under it in my last post?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    no HCG doesnt cause gyno, did you read the link i put under it in my last post?
    Yes I read it, but Im just curious cuz other article said hcg causes gyno.
    Clomid and nolvadex are not enough to get back balls??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physiqueken View Post
    Yes I read it, but Im just curious cuz other article said hcg causes gyno.
    Clomid and nolvadex are not enough to get back balls??
    Your endogenous testosterone will never come back to the same level as it was prior to using exogenous hormones. Taking HCG throughout the steroid cycle will help you reach closer to your pre steroid levels after using the PCT meds like clomid.

    Without the HCG, sure you can use clomid and nolvadex post cycle , but you wont recover near as much.

    HCG is not going to give you bitch tits lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presser View Post
    Your endogenous testosterone will never come back to the same level as it was prior to using exogenous hormones. Taking HCG throughout the steroid cycle will help you reach closer to your pre steroid levels after using the PCT meds like clomid.

    Without the HCG, sure you can use clomid and nolvadex post cycle , but you wont recover near as much.

    HCG is not going to give you bitch tits lol
    OK. I understand and will get HCG ASAP. For this steroid cycle, do I need to shot HCG during cycle? Or 2weeks after the testE shot?
    Also any recommendation like what time of the day I should take dbol deca testE? Pre workout? Or morning?

    Thanks sir.
     

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    If you start losing energy/motivation or sex drive try stepping back the adex to 0.5 e3d. Seems like most are good at eod but I personally had to step it back.
     

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    If you run deca for 12 weeks then you need to run test for atleast 3 weeks after that and start pct 12 days after your last test shot
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fullytorqued View Post
    If you start losing energy/motivation or sex drive try stepping back the adex to 0.5 e3d. Seems like most are good at eod but I personally had to step it back.
    I heard that Using Adex e3d for the first time. Most of the people use it eod right?
    simple question, adex is for losing energy/motivation? Not for gyno?

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    If you run deca for 12 weeks then you need to run test for atleast 3 weeks after that and start pct 12 days after your last test shot
    You don’t use deca and test at the same time?
    dbol and deca at first?
     

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    Weeks

    1-15 test 400mg
    1-12 deca 400mg
    1-5 dbol 25mg
    1-16 adex .5mg eod or twice a week with your shot to make it simple and up if needed
    17 nolva 40mg a day
    18&19 nolva 20mg a day
    20 nolva 10mg a day

    HCG everyone is different with what they think is best choose one and if it works great if not try another way
     

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    And adex is to keep estrogen under control. If you have low bf then you probably don't even need it at 400mg. I'm around 15% bf and don't use it much but I like the extra water it helps me lift heavy

    Now if I was to shave my ass and put on presser Speedo I would probably run it eod .5mg

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    Adex is something I encourage everyone to keep on hand. Safest bet is to run it twice a week
     

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    Deca won't start kicking in until around week 6 and it stays in your system awhile after taking it so that's why you run test 3 or 4 more weeks. You take nolva to reboot your natural levels without them bouncing all over the place

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    So once you are done with the dbol you will start noticing the deca and won't have strength or size lost. Nolva or pct also help keep the gains you made
     

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    I hope you are over 23 and Google deca dick. Proviron if you have the money would be a great addition after week 5. If you get deca dick which I doubt on that dose you will need to invest in some proviron and dick pills if you plan to have sex. If you get puffy nipples and the won't go away with adex eod then you may need caber or prami so look into that. They sell it at the MC store and can get it to you quick
     

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