First cycle questions

Hey, I have been reserching this for over a year now and I am trying to get stuff togather for my first. I am looking to go with
t-200 for 200mg. w/1-8
norandren 200.. 200 mg wk/1-8
I will be getting some Liquidex and Clomid.
Let me know if this sounds like and give me any info you can. Thanks guys

Well... 200mg/week of test is basically a normal (although high end) hormone replacement therapy dose... Since it will most likely shut down your natural production, I don't whether you'll be satisfied with your results, especially if it's underdosed at all. I do generally think that the lowest dose you can make good gains on is best... I'd still think about maybe upping it to 400mg/week of test, and 300mg/week of the deca. I'd also consider running it longer than 8 weeks (10 or 12), since it'll be about 4 weeks before you start seeing any effects.

Agree with Al, also give us your stats bro.

Thanks Guys sorry about that. I also thought of running just the test itelf at 400 mg week for 10 weeks. Which would you guys recomend for leaner gains. I have been training hard for 3 years now. I am 5'6. I started at 135 and I am almost 180 right now. Did my bodyfat a couple weeks ago at 15%. Should be a little leaner now. Still the same weight. Thanks for all the help guys.

Test itself would be good @ 400/week. I think the addition of deca would help your strength increase along. Honestly, it's mostly going to depend on your diet and training to make use of the anabolic state the extra hormones will help you achieve. You could consider using EQ instead of the deca, with the test, if you'd like. Either way, I think you'd be a lot happier with 400mg/week vs. 200mg/week.

How often are you planning on injecting?

I'd also bring your bf down, if you can, before you start, and of course make sure your diet is right on.

And, finally, be sure to post a cycle journal so that people can comment, critique, track your progress, congratulate you on your successes, and so that you have a record of what you've done (right and wrong)

I think you'll get good results with either. Something to ponder, Deca stays in your system a long time and takes a while to see results.

Thanks alot guys. You guys are always great at helping a brother out. I am thinking I am going to go with just the test at 400 wk for 10 weeks. I would maybe look at doing the eq but this is about all I have access to right now. My doc will be keeping an eye on me through this so that will help out allot. I will for sure keep a journal and will get that body fat also. Try to get it down to like 10-12 or so. All I gotta do is a little cardio. I don't do any right now and still got a 4 pack or so. Thanks alot guys

Let us know how you make out, also check back for some more opinions. There's always more sides to story.

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Thanks Guys sorry about that. I also thought of running just the test itelf at 400 mg week for 10 weeks. Which would you guys recomend for leaner gains. I have been training hard for 3 years now. I am 5'6. I started at 135 and I am almost 180 right now. Did my bodyfat a couple weeks ago at 15%. Should be a little leaner now. Still the same weight. Thanks for all the help guys.

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45 lbs! Congrads, great job. Very respectable size at 5'6"!

Listen to Al, btw. And I'm really trying to bite my tongue on the "lean gainer" comment. Good Luck- LA

Well since scorpio said to check back, then I'll give you my opinion. It's my opinion that a first cycle should have 2 primary characteristics: (1) easy post-cycle recovery and (2) flexibility. Everything else is secondary.

Why? The last thing you want to do the first time around is murder your HPTA without even knowing how you'll handle recovery or even the cycle itself, for that matter. The best way to accomplish this is no deca, no tren, no 10-12+ week cycles, etc.

As for (2), once you inject the medication, you can't get it back. If you run into problems, you're gonna have to ride 'em out. However, a cycle that is created with flexibility in mind will permit the user to adjust dosages/compounds and experience the results of those changes very quickly. The best way to make a cycle flexible is by using fast-acting meds and avoiding heavy esterified compounds.

The very best first cycle that I could recommend using these 2 principles would be:

weeks 1-6 Test Prop 100mg EOD
weeks 1-6 Dbol 20mg ED

With this stack, you can expect to be flying high by day 10- on top of the world - no waiting till weeks 4-5 with enanthate/cyp, deca, etc. If you run into problems with say the dbol, fine, just drop it. It will clear in a couple days...no waiting for the longer stuff to clear. Need to adjust the test dosage, go ahead...you'll feel the difference in a few days, not weeks.

Your gains will be really high quality if your diet is in check. Your strength gains will be excellent with phenominal pumps. 100mg EOD of T prop is about the same (if not more) as 400mg/wk of T Enan/Cyp since the ester takes up so little overall weight.

Lastly, recovery from this stack will be a breeze. The meds will clear very rapidly instead of tapering down over the course of 3-5 additional weeks, further delaying HPTA restoration. Wrap up with a SERM like nolvadex and in 4 weeks, you'll probably be completely restored instead of coming back here 6 weeks after your cycle complaining about erection problems, motivation issues, etc.<--- this is very common on the Internet boards.

I'm probably the most conservative member on this board, next to SWALE (who's an MD). But I guarantee you'll love this stack. It's not all or nothing with your first cycle. Above all, your health, safety, and sanity should be prioritized over the drugs, especially the first time around.

Thanks allot bro. I know "lean gain". You can say it man. I know what you mean and where your comin' from. I just don't want to blow up like a balloon. I mean I want to put on some size but I want to try to stay as lean as possible, if that makes any sence. I will just try to keep my diet in check and see how it goes. Thanks again for all the help.

That one slid in there while I was typing back the other. Thanks for your reponse goldenear I will take that into consideration. I was wanting to take the d-bol but I just can't come accross any right now. It's alright though I am still just getting my stuff togather and my diet in check and all so I got some time. I would like that, I just don't have the ability to go eod with shots. I'm gonna be pushing it with 2x week. I've heard that prop is good too. That was also on my list, but again I have not come accross any of that around here. I still have time and will see what I can do. I will keep everyone posted. Thanks and keep the opinions coming.

I like goldenear's suggestion, not sure about the dbol, though. 6-8 weeks of prop @ 100mg eod (350mg/week) would be really good, imo, except that if you aren't used to injections, eod might seem like a lot at first.

I also like goldenear's suggestion. He's a smart cookie.

As for (2), once you inject the medication, you can't get it back. If you run into problems, you're gonna have to ride 'em out. However, a cycle that is created with flexibility in mind will permit the user to adjust dosages/compounds and experience the results of those changes very quickly. The best way to make a cycle flexible is by using fast-acting meds and avoiding heavy esterified compounds

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That was what I was attempting to say.

nice first cycle suggestion golden.i think i would do the d-ball for only 4 weeks though.no use over straining the liver on the first cycle.i would also add some ala or milk thistle in there to keep the liver good.(it's cheap)

I would do Test Enath 500 and EQ at 400 for 10-12 weeks. 250 test and 200 eq on monday and the same on thursday each week. A good solid first cycle. The EQ is better for a leaner look than the Deca. Deca will have you holding more water. L-dex can be used at .25 ED or .50EOD to help. Clomid for post.