cycle help please

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J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #1

I have 25 org sust amps...Really pumped to use some real deal stuff. I am planning going 10 weeks with the sust (750 for the first 5 and 500 for the last 5)...let me know if you would do this differently...also have letrezole, clo, and nolva...so all set with anti-e's


Two questions,

One, how do you think I would do with just the sust (this will be my third cycle, the others have been very low doses and not great stuff though)

Two, I am considering adding tren or dbol to kickstart...what are thoughts on that...the bol would be cheaper, but not a big deal.

So everyone knows...my stats/goals 5'10" 187 11% body fat...looking to swap 5 to 10 pounds of muscle with 5-10 pounds of fat.

Thanks fella's

-J

 

BLEED GREEN

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #2

As far as jump starting I would add some addiional Test prop. At your bw 150mg e/o/d would suffice wks 1-4/5. Dbols gains are very short lived, not a tren vet so I can't comment.

 

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scorpio

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #3

I wouldn't taper sustanon. I'd do it monday, wed, and fri to take advantage of the short acting prop ester. Dbol will make you add water but is a good kick start.

 

J

J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #4

Scorpio...how would you taper the sust?

Bleed...I thought about the prop, but I can't get any right now

-J

 

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goldenear

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #5

I would actually front load the sustanon pretty aggressively for the first 10-14 days...like an amp EOD. And then run it straight @ 500mg/wk or whatever you want. There would be a greater risk in getting sick, however, since you're forcing blood levels to rise quickly instead of tapering up gradually (via de-esterification).

 

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scorpio

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #6

Bro I wouldn't taper period. Maintain the same dosage.

 

J

J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #7

Sorry...read that wrong...what about frontloading...what are thoughts on that and exactly how to do it

-J

 

J

J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #8

how about 1000 weeks one and two, 750 week 3, then 500 through week 10.

Let me know,

J

 

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goldenear

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #9

probably not enough...1 amp eod for 10-14 days and then your 500 weekly after that.

 

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J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #10

I think we are misunderstading each other...I mean

week 1: 1000
week 2: 1000
week 3: 750
Weeks 4-10: 500

 

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goldenear

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #11

my fault...that would work, or just go 3-10 @ 500. I would also throw fast-acting stuff at the end for at least 3-4 weeks while the testosterone decanoate trails off - whatever you've got.

 

J

J*

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #12

How does the fast acting help at the end of the cycle? Let me know and let me know what you would recommend.

Thanks for the help,

-J

 

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goldenear

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• Jul 17, 2003

• #13

It just maximizes the possibility of making additional gains during the weeks following your last injection while the longer stuff clears (e.g., test decanoate). Your test levels will be tapering off for about a month, so you may as well make it productive with test prop, dbol, anadrol, winny, var, etc. All of the orals clear in about a day, so you time it with the decanoate (from the sus) and come off everything at the same time. Then start your post cycle ancillaries.

I like to stack test prop and dbol at the end while the longer stuff clears.

 

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J*

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• Jul 18, 2003

• #14

Let me see if I understand this correctly.

you would do something to the effect of:

sust weeks 1-10
prop/dbol weeks 8-12

Let me know if that is what you are thinking, and thanks for all the help

-J

 

sundevil

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• Jul 18, 2003

• #15

Those are two very good suggestions above regarding frontloading and back loading prop on a sus cycle. I like sus and when I run it I load prop at the beginning to kick it and I also switch to prop totally about week 9. This gives the long acting esters time to clear out of my system so that when I go off cycle I can hit the anti-e's right away instead of waiting three weeks for the sus esters to clear.

 

Last edited: Jul 18, 2003

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goldenear

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• Jul 18, 2003

• #16

If you run the sus like e4d, then just wait 4 days after your last sustanon injection and then start your dbol/prop stack. I would run that combo at least 4 weeks because of the decanoate ester in the sustanon (isocaproate in omnadren may clear a little faster).

So...

sust weeks 1-10
prop/dbol weeks 10.5-14 or 15