Need help - question about aas testing and federal probation....

I have a client who is being tested for gear once a month. However, he has come up with a script for test and deca - both at 200mg per week. His probation officer is aware of this and can't do anything about it and is still testing him monthly.

My question is this: If he were to add some test to his 200mg per week, would they be able to tell by his blood levels that he is actually taking more than 200mg per week? I am not talking about him taking a gram or two, just bumping to 600-700mg per week.

My thoughts are that if he gets the levels up before the first test, they will only have a 'baseline' to go from and as long as the level stays consistent, they won't be able to tell that he is taking 600-700mg instead of 200mg. He already had a low test level to start if it makes any difference.

What I am saying is that I doubt very much that a blood test for testosterone can tell exactly how much test you are taking.

Your thoughts?

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They test for a testosterone vs Epitestosterone ratio. If testosterone is administered then the ratio is thrown off. The more test added, the more the ratio differs. Some agencies go as high as test/epi as 6:1 being within normal range.

Wow, this is a really, really difficult issue, primarily because there are too many unknowns. Like scorpio said, a 6:1 T/E ratio is pretty much the internationally accepted cutoff. To beat that test, guys used to inject epitest. Which led to testing of epitest levels.

I would bet that @ 200mg/wk, the T/E ratio would only be slightly elevated past 6:1 (like 10:1), but @ 700mg/wk, it would be totally obvious (for ex., 60:1). Depending on who reviews the lab results, that may or may not be a problem. I mean if the authorities ask for a professional opinion from an experienced individual, I would guess that person would not be fooled and would say something is definitely shady.

What about getting a script for a higher dosage? If he can get a script already, most of the hrt clinics will do higher than normal dosages (I had 400mg/week cyp and 400mg/week deca prescribed, for example, just by asking)

It's not Canseco is it?

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It's not Canseco is it?

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Seriously, I am aware of the 6:1 test/epi-test being the cut off for high end levels of endogenous test. I agree with what you guys are saying but it seems to be a huge grey area. As an example, yes, they may have a damned good idea he is taking extra test but they can't possibly know how much, is my point. I feel that as soon as they allowed the script, they can't possibly keep him under certain guidelines or paramaters as far as blood levels because they can't know exactly how much he is taking by his blood levels. As long as he keeps it consistent from the first test and doesn't increase the dosage which would show an obvious increase from the blood test, I think he should be fine. Will they want to question it? Possibly, but what can they really do when they can't prove how much he is actually taking?

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I'm not sure if it would be a risk that I would undertake, script or not. The ratio difference would be a red flag.

I HAVE A FEW FRIENDS ON FEDERAL PROBATION THAT USE AAS. NEVER HAD A PROBLEM. HE CAN FIND OUT WHAT HE IS BEING TESTED FOR.I DON'T THINK THEY TEST FOR AAS

I just spoke to a friend who works with the NFL he administers the AAS tests. He said he believes that if someone who is prescribed testosterone for a medical purpose at 200mg per week should be fine at 500mg pw without a problem. The tests are not as intricate as some people think. He said because of the expense of the test, some agencies look only at lipid profiles. I thought that was strange.

Look, I want to be very clear here - they ARE testing him for aas. I don't know anyone else's experience with federal probation but they ARE testing him for aas.

Thanks for the replies, though.

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Yes, it does help. I appreciate the information. Anytime I can get info from someone who has been on the 'inside', it is always welcomed.

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I don't know bro, but if I was in his situation I wouldn't be thinking of "using," and risking the chances of being charged for that and the prior felony.

Even if this is his source of income, by personal advice would for him not to chance it and take up a different carear.

This is just an opinion, and not based on any facts.

I agree totally. However, he didn't ask for my opinion but rather asked how to get around the test. I did end up telling him that I was not comfortable with giving him advice on this situation because if he did get caught I would feel terrible. I was going to have him use suspension and cut it about 3 days prior to the test every month. However, I found out the test is random as he has to set aside 2 hours EVERY day to be by the phone so that if they call him to be tested THAT day, he has to come in and test.

That is just a bit too much of a gamble and I didn't want any part of it.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

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