Help needed on GH/Insulin cycle

Hi all im new to this forum so bare with me! My questions are for those in the know on GH and Insulin.

Im gonna start a 2 month course on GH and Insulin. The Problem is i don't have any adviser or help me as im doing this on my own which does not help when i consider the possible risks of insulin.

Im really looking for some one to help me plan my course and dosage levels. If it was not for the insulin i would take the GH as per 4IUs a day 5 days on/2 off, but what times, food i should take aswell etc, is help i need.

Below are some questions i would appreciate answers on.

1. I am going to take Saizen by pen as its easiest to use and mix. I heard that its actually derived from animals is that correct? All the info i have read on it suggest its "somatropin (rDNA origin) identical to that of pituitary-derived human growth hormone".
2. Has anybody had any experience ordering Saizen/Pen from hghmexico.com?
3. By taking insulin at about 6UI per day cut down the chances of developing diabetes. I am aware that type II is something some people are more predisposed to and other factors of eating habits come into it. Im a lean health freak, so i like to think lol
4. Is there anyone who can help me plan my cycle of GH/INSULIN cycle?

Appreciate any help.


Thanks
TL

I would imagine that the hgh website is a scam. I wouldn't send my money to some random website.

HGH is fairly hard to come by if you don't have a good source or a prescription.

If I understand your question correctly you're saying the the GH is from animals?

Welcome to the board!

Hi BiggerStronger,

Well i was all set to place an order with that firm when i asked what is the difference between Saizen and Humatrope? The answer was: "The Saizen is animal extract and the humatrope is biochemical engineered. Meaning the humatrope is made from chemicals alone no animals in the process. The effects on the body are the same"

I was a little shocked to learn this...and in part why ive gone in search of help.

The active principle in SAIZEN® is Somatropin, a biosynthetic human growth hormone produced from mammary cells through genetic engineering. It contains 191 amino acids in identical sequence to the natural hormone produced by the pituitary gland. SAIZEN® promotes an increase in the average growth rhythm by somotomedins or by growth factors similar to insulin.

so in effect is this company right or wrong is saying SAIZAN is derived from animals?

don't know much about GH, but I'll move this to the MC Discussion Forum, you will probably get a better response here.

I'm not sure what that company is talking about but GH is species specific. Horse GH won't work in humans, pig GH won't work in humans, etc. Secondly, if it were derived from animals what are we talking about? Dead animals? In other words animal cadavers? This is what gave GH a bad name when it was first introduced as a drug. It was extracted from human cadavers. I forgot what fatal desease was passed this way.

I think the company is wrong- period!

Well I'm no bio-engineer. However I believe it's a clone from a human gene.

Somatropin (hgh) human growth hormone is a protein molecule consisting of 191 amino acids. Genetic engineering, a new technology that emerged in the 1970's, enables researchers to splice human genes. The process of gene splicing enabled researchers to clone the somatropin (hgh) human growth hormone protein after identifying its exact sequence of DNA.

After the growth hormone protein was cloned, it was then produced in drug laboratories in commercial quantities. Consequentially, biosynthetic somatropin (hgh)human growth hormone began to be available to medical researchers for the first time in the 1980's. This genetically engineered recombinant somatropin (hgh) human growth hormone is completely identical to the somatropin (hgh) human growth hormone naturally produced by the human pituitary gland and is therefore referred to as a natural hormone.

LA said:

I'm not sure what that company is talking about but GH is species specific. Horse GH won't work in humans, pig GH won't work in humans, etc. Secondly, if it were derived from animals what are we talking about? Dead animals? In other words animal cadavers? This is what gave GH a bad name when it was first introduced as a drug. It was extracted from human cadavers. I forgot what fatal desease was passed this way.

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True, GH is species specific, but human GH does work on animals, and if you talk to the guys who've used Equigen (horse GH) it works in humans. The explaination I've heard for this is that Equigen is really human GH relabeled and sold for horses at a reduced price... and that the manufacturer didn't want it known that it was human GH, or pricing and profits would drop big time.

Also, all GH today is made by recombinant DNA - not from cadavers.

The disease you are seeking related to GH from human cadavers is Jakob Creutzfeld syndrome. Horrible disease.

DrG

well i have not read one article on it being derived from animals....their answer was "they dont advertised it as being animal derived though".

saian and serostim are made from an altered mouse cell gene,, humtrope from e--coli if your stuff is real should be right on the pack insert, if u use it long enough , use enough of it, for a long enough time youll know its real cause your wrists will get tight , swelling , youll get headaches sometimes and your joints will hurt . ive used gh a little( 4iu a day) and ive tried more--alot-- 15--27iu a day for months at a time. still clinging onto the mystique of it- and if i could afford it i guess i take gram quantities a day of it-- until that time i think it is good at 4--9 ius a day for bodyfat loss. for me it hasnt lived up to the hype, but maybe i used it wrong. i mostly used it by itself after i done steroids( had to do something!) but , after a long time clean im combining them both-- hopefully well both get lucky.. hope this helped

Thanks Tony, a big help, eases my mind

PS. thats allot of GH ..im a newbie to to GH, but sounds like you need some advise on the testo/insulin/gh combo cycle to get the best out of ur ££GH from what i read.

drgoodbody said:

True, GH is species specific, but human GH does work on animals, and if you talk to the guys who've used Equigen (horse GH) it works in humans. The explaination I've heard for this is that Equigen is really human GH relabeled and sold for horses at a reduced price... and that the manufacturer didn't want it known that it was human GH, or pricing and profits would drop big time.

Also, all GH today is made by recombinant DNA - not from cadavers.

The disease you are seeking related to GH from human cadavers is Jakob Creutzfeld syndrome. Horrible disease.

DrG

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Have you ever read this about Equigen?

T-MAG

Anabolic Extreme

Actually LA, I have read it. The Jason Mueller stuff was part of a really, really, really, nasty fued that went on between Jason (aka Shawn) and Big A, as well as others on the old Renegade bodybuilding board. Shawn kept saying this stuff over, and over, but there were just as many if not more guys saying it worked for them. In the end, nothing was settled. The guys just agreed to disagree and went off hating one another for life. Trust me on that last statement.

DrG

PS: I've never used Equigen, but just know the story behind it quite well. If you're interested, come by professionalmuscle.com and ask Big A about it via PM.

PPS: And Brock, aka Bruce Kneller was on the gade when this shit went down, so one can guess where he stood.

drgoodbody said:

Actually LA, I have read it. The Jason Mueller stuff was part of a really, really, really, nasty fued that went on between Jason (aka Shawn) and Big A, as well as others on the old Renegade bodybuilding board. Shawn kept saying this stuff over, and over, but there were just as many if not more guys saying it worked for them. In the end, nothing was settled. The guys just agreed to disagree and went off hating one another for life. Trust me on that last statement.

DrG

PS: I've never used Equigen, but just know the story behind it quite well. If you're interested, come by professionalmuscle.com and ask Big A about it via PM.

PPS: And Brock, aka Bruce Kneller was on the gade when this shit went down, so one can guess where he stood.

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Lol, actually Brock and Jason hated each other too but got together to team up against Equigen.

Ever read that t-mag article where Brock interviewed himself. Brock interviews Bruce, lol!