Opinions on this setup....

what do you guys think about this setup?

1-4 dbol 30mg ED
1-5 prop 150mg EOD
1-12 enan 625mg wk
1-12 deca 400mg wk
anastrozole throughout
8-12 IGF-1 80mcg mon-fri (40-40 split--a.m. and after workout)

normal clomid PCT, possibly adding HCG
nolva on hand

before I get thrashed on the dbol and prop combo, I have read some people have had good results. So I will be experimenting with this.

okay, lets have it

I like it....Let us know how the dbol/prop kick start works for you.

I think it looks good but I LOOOOVE to play devil's advocate, so, why not run the IGF from weeks 12-16 as your longer estered gear tapers down? Just a thought - not a right or wrong thing.

How much ananstrozol?

Skip

I like the cycle Bigr, It's something close to my next cycle. And yeah, I've heard the same thing about the Prop and dbol combo at the begining. But I'm going to be doing something close 2 that cycle. Should see some good gains off that cycle. Are you going to keep a log on here? And what type of diet are you going to be using with that cycle. Here's what my next cycle is going to look like.

My next cycle is going to be a Bulker

Week 1-4 Test Prop. 150mg EOD
Week 1-5 Anadrol 100mgED
Week 1-11 Test Enath. 750mgs week
Week 1-11 EQ 600mgs week
Week 1-14 Fina 150mgs EOD or 75mgs ED
Week 10-14 Test Prop. 150mgs. EOD
Week 1-5 Liquidex .5-1 ED Week 6-14 .5ed or eod
Clomid PCT
300mg the first day
100mg days 2-12
50mg days 13-23

Skip said:

I think it looks good but I LOOOOVE to play devil's advocate, so, why not run the IGF from weeks 12-16 as your longer estered gear tapers down? Just a thought - not a right or wrong thing.

How much ananstrozol?

Skip

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Good suggestion on the IGF, I think I will do that. Oh, and the anastrozol will be run @ .5 ED

4play said:

I like the cycle Bigr, It's something close to my next cycle. And yeah, I've heard the same thing about the Prop and dbol combo at the begining. But I'm going to be doing something close 2 that cycle. Should see some good gains off that cycle. Are you going to keep a log on here? And what type of diet are you going to be using with that cycle. Here's what my next cycle is going to look like.

My next cycle is going to be a Bulker

Week 1-4 Test Prop. 150mg EOD
Week 1-5 Anadrol 100mgED
Week 1-11 Test Enath. 750mgs week
Week 1-11 EQ 600mgs week
Week 1-14 Fina 150mgs EOD or 75mgs ED
Week 10-14 Test Prop. 150mgs. EOD
Week 1-5 Liquidex .5-1 ED Week 6-14 .5ed or eod
Clomid PCT
300mg the first day
100mg days 2-12
50mg days 13-23

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Yes I will keep a log on here, but it will be in the other forum. My diet is going to "fairly" clean, high protein (350g/day), high glycemic carbs in the a.m. from fruit, and after workout, and then medium and low glycemic carbs the remainder of the day, will try to keep fat intake from food low while supplementing fat with CLA and flax oil. by the way, this will be starting in approx 2 more weeks when my igf runs out.


by the way, I like your cycle as well. keep a log here and let us know how things go

A "Newbies" $0.02 Worth . . .

I agree with 4play's approach.

I ALWAYS finish a cycle with "fast-acting" esters (actually - all I use is no-ester or fast acting - bigger bang for buck http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1173 ). I believe this is essential to get on post cycle clomid ASAP. With deca at end of cycle, you can't effectively begin clomid until 21 days after last injection!

I like skip's suggestion of IGF-1 Long R3 for post cycle.

I'd avoid "post cycle" hcg use, as it simulates LH realease, which only prevents HPTA from recovering (plus other problems) - see http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1190

I use as hcg as Big A suggests - every 4 weeks "during" a cycle at 1000iu ED for 5 days and for last 5 days of cycle. This tends to keep nuts functioning "during" a cycle.

xcel

NIce post Xcel. I was going to suggest the prop. for the end as well. Good point on the HCG - helps stim., the nuts, but inhibits the HPTA.

If only there were a reliable way to stimulate the GnRH releasing cells (catecholamines do it, as do some prostaglandins) while on the cycle. Then we could get the LH release from the pituitary, as well as keep the nads up n' running. Then, when the system's clear of androgens and estrogens, the hypothalamus is ready to do its job and the other player of the HPTA are up to speed.

-Randy

1-4 dbol 30mg ED
1-5 prop 150mg EOD
1-12 enan 625mg wk
1-12 deca 400mg wk
anastrozole throughout
8-12 IGF-1 80mcg mon-fri

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u do realise that the steroid dose per week reduces after week 5 ? while u r on the cycle , u will also realise that the gains would probably start slowing down at week 5-6 ....thats the point where the body needs extra stimulus to beat the homeostasis its getting into . isnt it ? so u have to come up with ways to do that , move around what u have in the cycle a bit , this could mean moving around the prop u have (week 1-5 ) which u could move to later ..maybe 5-8 or 5-9 ... then on u again got the igf-1 working thro a diff pathway which will again help u .
also , use hcg every 4 weeks , keeps up leydig cell count which is very imp ...but i think xcel mentioned this already . .

thanks guys, your suggestions make sense and I will be making some adjustments

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xcelbeyond said:

This tends to keep nuts functioning "during" a cycle.

xcel

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What are "nuts"? Could you elaborate please? *shrug*

Skip