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a link and some infos' I dug up:
http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21323&highlight=lipostabil
Lab-corp sells it I believe
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In the article Scorpio posted in his Lipostabil discussion thread~
It is not that the drug itself hasn’t been approved overseas. Lipostabil is phosphatidylcholine, a liquid form of lecithin, an enzyme which occurs naturally in the body. It was first used in the 1950s to dial down climbing cholesterol and triglyceride numbers and is approved for use, according to the manufacturer, in Brazil, Germany, Italy and South America.
This is fine & dandy. Using the fact that it's an 'enzyme which occurs naturally in the body' is a fantastic selling tool.
Just for the record, homosistine is an amino acid which is a natural occurance in our body, but if it accumilates, it causes heart disease.
If people are deficiant in vitamin B6, B12, or folic acid.. homosistine levels climb.
People regularly have their cholesterol checked & that's great, but the hidden killer is high homosistine levels.
If anyone's interested, when you have your cholesterol checked, you can request this blood test as well & anything less than a 10 is normal.
Can someone tell me if lipostabil is going to make CRP or placque go haywire in other blood vessels in other areas of body fat?
It took Brazilian dermatologist, Patricia Rittes, widely credited with pioneering the treatment often called Lipo-Dissolve, to reincarnate the drug as a pathway to physical perfection. After experimental use as an injectable fat-dissolver by doctors overseas such as Rittes, it started to make its way stateside. Thanks to some anecdotal evidence and off label usage, a few doctors in the United States are now injecting surgery-shy but eager patients in order to send their eye bags packing, whittle pudgy upper arms and reduce other areas often too small to treat with liposuction. You may remember that wrinkle busting Retin-A was only FDA approved as an acne treatment for years before it could claim its wrinkle reducing charms. However, doctors were prescribing it to their creased and lined, albeit unblemished, patients for years before it got the FDA stamp of approval. The same is true for Botox. Doctors found it helped reduce the appearance of wrinkles and used it for that off label purpose before it got the FDA go-ahead to claim it could tame wrinkles. But, Retin-A and Botox were FDA approved drugs. Lipostabil is not approved for any use in the United States. Aventis notes that they did not develop the drug for the popular use it’s currently gaining across the globe.
This is true. Aren't Retin-A & Botox topical creams?
Another great reference tool
So, how does Lipostabil work? Depending on the area and the desired results, a patient gets injected with the drug at the trouble site or sites spaced over the course of several weeks. A topical anesthetic is used at the injection site. One may experience some side effects like mild swelling and bruising or itching at the injection site. Then the patient waits a couple of weeks and goes back in for another round of shots. After the treatments are over and the swelling subsides, one should find a new, fat free area in its wake thanks to the fat dissolving properties of the drug. Because no official protocols have been established, how many shots you need depends upon what your doctor advises. How much of the drug to use has been determined by trial and error.
Which could add up to tens of thousands of dollars with absolutely no guarantee that the fat isn't going to return or come back two fold..
I think it's great that there are so many people here willing to experiment with it because I'd like to unofficially follow their progress, if they're truthful.
You only need a couple of shots to get rid of that stubborn slab of abdominal flab? Sounds fuss free, and it is... sort of. The snag is that we don’t know more than we do know about this treatment. Random calls to dermatologists and other doctors didn’t net a single one who is currently using the drug, although several dermatologists and other doctors have gone on record in the media that they’re performing the treatment. What’s more, testing of the procedure has been limited to just one 30 person (non-peer reviewed, without a control group) study performed in Brazil testing how the drug worked on the small amounts of fat that make up under-eye bags. Photos from the study do show an improvement, but the results have not been duplicated nor scrutinized in other studies.
Hopefully, many people will be willing to be labrats since the obesity in the USA has tripled in the last 20 or so years & quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing health insurance rates increase because they're too lazy to develope some type of exercise & diet routine.
The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery has gone so far as to issue a statement questioning the use of Lipostabil adding the only proven method to permanently remove fat deposits is liposuction. The ASAPS also questions how practitioners will evaluate how much fat is to be removed and raises the issues of whether the drug dissolves other tissue as well, how the body will react to the introduction of an increase in a naturally occurring substance and the potential unknown side effects.
It's just a matter of documenting long term research & whether or not this is a wonder drug or just a short term fix that is going to cause more health problems than what it's worth.
http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21323&highlight=lipostabil
Lab-corp sells it I believe
___________________________________________
In the article Scorpio posted in his Lipostabil discussion thread~
It is not that the drug itself hasn’t been approved overseas. Lipostabil is phosphatidylcholine, a liquid form of lecithin, an enzyme which occurs naturally in the body. It was first used in the 1950s to dial down climbing cholesterol and triglyceride numbers and is approved for use, according to the manufacturer, in Brazil, Germany, Italy and South America.
This is fine & dandy. Using the fact that it's an 'enzyme which occurs naturally in the body' is a fantastic selling tool.
Just for the record, homosistine is an amino acid which is a natural occurance in our body, but if it accumilates, it causes heart disease.
If people are deficiant in vitamin B6, B12, or folic acid.. homosistine levels climb.
People regularly have their cholesterol checked & that's great, but the hidden killer is high homosistine levels.
If anyone's interested, when you have your cholesterol checked, you can request this blood test as well & anything less than a 10 is normal.
Can someone tell me if lipostabil is going to make CRP or placque go haywire in other blood vessels in other areas of body fat?
It took Brazilian dermatologist, Patricia Rittes, widely credited with pioneering the treatment often called Lipo-Dissolve, to reincarnate the drug as a pathway to physical perfection. After experimental use as an injectable fat-dissolver by doctors overseas such as Rittes, it started to make its way stateside. Thanks to some anecdotal evidence and off label usage, a few doctors in the United States are now injecting surgery-shy but eager patients in order to send their eye bags packing, whittle pudgy upper arms and reduce other areas often too small to treat with liposuction. You may remember that wrinkle busting Retin-A was only FDA approved as an acne treatment for years before it could claim its wrinkle reducing charms. However, doctors were prescribing it to their creased and lined, albeit unblemished, patients for years before it got the FDA stamp of approval. The same is true for Botox. Doctors found it helped reduce the appearance of wrinkles and used it for that off label purpose before it got the FDA go-ahead to claim it could tame wrinkles. But, Retin-A and Botox were FDA approved drugs. Lipostabil is not approved for any use in the United States. Aventis notes that they did not develop the drug for the popular use it’s currently gaining across the globe.
This is true. Aren't Retin-A & Botox topical creams?
Another great reference tool
So, how does Lipostabil work? Depending on the area and the desired results, a patient gets injected with the drug at the trouble site or sites spaced over the course of several weeks. A topical anesthetic is used at the injection site. One may experience some side effects like mild swelling and bruising or itching at the injection site. Then the patient waits a couple of weeks and goes back in for another round of shots. After the treatments are over and the swelling subsides, one should find a new, fat free area in its wake thanks to the fat dissolving properties of the drug. Because no official protocols have been established, how many shots you need depends upon what your doctor advises. How much of the drug to use has been determined by trial and error.
Which could add up to tens of thousands of dollars with absolutely no guarantee that the fat isn't going to return or come back two fold..
I think it's great that there are so many people here willing to experiment with it because I'd like to unofficially follow their progress, if they're truthful.
You only need a couple of shots to get rid of that stubborn slab of abdominal flab? Sounds fuss free, and it is... sort of. The snag is that we don’t know more than we do know about this treatment. Random calls to dermatologists and other doctors didn’t net a single one who is currently using the drug, although several dermatologists and other doctors have gone on record in the media that they’re performing the treatment. What’s more, testing of the procedure has been limited to just one 30 person (non-peer reviewed, without a control group) study performed in Brazil testing how the drug worked on the small amounts of fat that make up under-eye bags. Photos from the study do show an improvement, but the results have not been duplicated nor scrutinized in other studies.
Hopefully, many people will be willing to be labrats since the obesity in the USA has tripled in the last 20 or so years & quite frankly, I'm tired of seeing health insurance rates increase because they're too lazy to develope some type of exercise & diet routine.
The American Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery has gone so far as to issue a statement questioning the use of Lipostabil adding the only proven method to permanently remove fat deposits is liposuction. The ASAPS also questions how practitioners will evaluate how much fat is to be removed and raises the issues of whether the drug dissolves other tissue as well, how the body will react to the introduction of an increase in a naturally occurring substance and the potential unknown side effects.
It's just a matter of documenting long term research & whether or not this is a wonder drug or just a short term fix that is going to cause more health problems than what it's worth.
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