CRAZY NEXT CYCLE, tell me what you think!

fame2002 · Dec 16, 2003

This will be my next cycle, tell me what you think. My stats right now are 6'3 270lbs, 10-11% bf. I have quite a few cycles under my belt, so I am experienced.
wk 1-4 dbol 40 mg ed
wk 1-8 test enanthate 1000 mgs wk
wk 1-8 eq 600 mg wk

wk 9-16 test cypionate 1000 mg wk
wk 9-16 fina 80 mg eod
wk 13-16 igf-1 r3 50 mcg day (25mcg 2x day)

wk 17-24 test proprionate 100 mg ed
wk 17-24 masteron 50 mg eod
wk 17-24 winny 60 mg ed
wk 17-24 anavar 30 mg ed
wk 21-26 igf-1 r3 50 mcg day (25 mcg 2x day)

weeks 1-26 hcg 500iu per week
weeks 1-26 arimidex 1mg eod

Post cycle like normal, hcg, clomid, arimidex
Any suggestions as to what i can use instead of the fina or should i leave it the way it is?

crankin'stein · Dec 16, 2003

Big cycle your planning there....

Couple questions for you tho....

Why switch from enth to cyp...... that won't do anything.... for all intensive purposes they are the exact same.....

Next... your running eq.... but only for 8 weeks.... most people don't see results from eq unless they run it longer... like 12 min... but 16 is better....

What are you trying to achieve with masteron, anavar and winny together?? other then an empty wallet??

Are you competing after this cycle?? and do you think you will still be at 10% bf going into week 17 after bulking?

If you can answer some of these questions for me, maybe I can offer some help.

fame2002 · Dec 16, 2003

Crankin, in answer to your questions, i have heard alot that switching compounds every 8-10 weeks really helps to continue growth, i may not do it this way but thought id try it, i may run the eq all the way through alot of peopl are saying the same thing. The mast, winny, and anavar i would like to use to really help cut up in the end, but im not sure because of the worry of my liver on all. No im not competing after this cycle, and i know for sure i will not be at 10%, at wk 17. I may just run the enanthate all the way through like i normally would, and im not sure if i should do the fina cause it shuts you down so hard.

Bently · Dec 16, 2003

crankin'stein said:
Big cycle your planning there....

Couple questions for you tho....

Why switch from enth to cyp...... that won't do anything.... for all intensive purposes they are the exact same.....

Next... your running eq.... but only for 8 weeks.... most people don't see results from eq unless they run it longer... like 12 min... but 16 is better....

What are you trying to achieve with masteron, anavar and winny together?? other then an empty wallet??

Are you competing after this cycle?? and do you think you will still be at 10% bf going into week 17 after bulking?

If you can answer some of these questions for me, maybe I can offer some help.

I would have to agree with crank on the questions above, and add another question, is the winny and masteron oral or injectable?
KR

uppercut · Dec 16, 2003

Long cycle.
I like to keep them simple. Like working out. Why do unnecessary exercises when you can concentrate on the ones that have been proven to work?
The same with AS cycles you can spend a lot of money and not achieve your goals by switching AS too many times during a cycle.
Ask yourselves this, how many pounds are you expecting to gain with this cycle? How many pounds do you want to gain on this cycle?

Build your cycle around those answers.

crankin'stein · Dec 16, 2003

fame2002 said:
Crankin, in answer to your questions, i have heard alot that switching compounds every 8-10 weeks really helps to continue growth, i may not do it this way but thought id try it, i may run the eq all the way through alot of peopl are saying the same thing. The mast, winny, and anavar i would like to use to really help cut up in the end, but im not sure because of the worry of my liver on all. No im not competing after this cycle, and i know for sure i will not be at 10%, at wk 17. I may just run the enanthate all the way through like i normally would, and im not sure if i should do the fina cause it shuts you down so hard.

OK... Well IMO then.... the last part of your cycle is mostly just a waste of money..... compounds like masteron really aren't worth it unless you have a real low bf % and are competing..... This is my opinion about that....

raybravo · Dec 16, 2003

i'd just keep some sort of testosterone at around 700-1000 mg to begin with , deca/tren at 400-500 mg per week , maybe just increase test/nor-test dose by 200 mg or so every 6- 8 weeks , or add an oral somewhere . keep it simple , basic testosterone +trenbolone , nothing beats that i feel , maybe winstrol to go alongside ...u can play with the bf etc with diet manipulations .u could add masteron somewhere in there to play some sort of an anti aromatase role along with shbg reducer in there , but normally an oral or tren itself are very resistant to binding proteins u know ?

fame2002 · Dec 16, 2003

the winny is tab form, masteron is injectable 100mg per ml
so crank think i should just stick to the winny and anavar?

crankin'stein · Dec 16, 2003

fame2002 said:
the winny is tab form, masteron is injectable 100mg per ml
so crank think i should just stick to the winny and anavar?

If it was me..... I would focus on bulking for a solid 12-16 weeks....

Then I would do a cutting cycle after some time off.....

Maybe

Prop 1-12
Tren 1-12
Winny 8-12

That with a good diet, and maybe some clen or something, and you should be able to cut up the new mass you gained....

squatter · Dec 16, 2003

I would run the EQ longer and I would add a low dose of deca for the whole length of the cycle. I don't know what level lifter you are, but most guys who are hitting it that hard are moving some prettybig weights, in which case the joint support of the deca is a welcome comodity.

if you can get your hand on some GH, even a low 2iu daily dose would do wonders in bwteen your IGF use. if you really want to pack on some size, add slin working up to no more than 10iu morning and post workout.

squatter

QBMuscle · Dec 16, 2003

i have a question but don't think i am an idiot. instead of running all the different esters of test on different weeks, why don't you just take sust 250, and frontload it the first 2 weeks.utilize all the esters at once.

fame2002 · Dec 16, 2003

QBMUSCLE I guess im just a big fan of enanthate and simple tests, i have used omnadren before and liked it alot, but up untill the last few weeks i wasnt ablt to get sust where i live, so now i have all this enan, and cyp, so i will probably use these then next cycle i will do the sust.

QBMuscle · Dec 16, 2003

sounds good. i'm allabout the sust cuz of how long it lasts, yoiu don't need to inject as often and your test levels don't spike up and down they are balanced pretty much through the whole cycle.

rugbythug · Dec 16, 2003

If it were me-

D-bol- 50mg ed 1-4
Test Ena or Cyp-1g 1-12
Eq 600mg 1-16

Prop-100mg ed 13-19
Fina-75 mg ed 13-19
winny-50mg ed 13-19

add the igf as you see fit. I would not worry about the fina shutting you down. Think about it your running a gram of test for weeks on end-your shut down anyway. You will be thick and mean when it is all down. Plus bald and zitty but lets not get into that LOL

DocH · Dec 16, 2003

HEY>>>

The Doc is IN..

Listen..I know where you are headed..you put that together over alot of time to not seem stupid..

It depends on what you can get a hold off (say that for the newbies). Bro.. Here is how simple (unless you are compet')..

Train like a mofo...(don't discount..important)
Test..1-2k per week
Dbol (40 mg. per day)
A-50 ( 1 a day..2 a day for a peak for 6 days).. take for 21 days
8 weeks... Buffet diet..
walk 2 miles per day 3 times a week.

This takes a good hunk of change ($$), but will put some weight on you.. (yeah, but DOC water weight)/// your going to game some water - so what... can get that off.. but water, helps you move around bigger poundage...

HUGE!!

DOC HUGE

crankin'stein · Dec 17, 2003

Re: HEY>>>

DocH said:
The Doc is IN..

Listen..I know where you are headed..you put that together over alot of time to not seem stupid..

It depends on what you can get a hold off (say that for the newbies). Bro.. Here is how simple (unless you are compet')..

Train like a mofo...(don't discount..important)
Test..1-2k per week
Dbol (40 mg. per day)
A-50 ( 1 a day..2 a day for a peak for 6 days).. take for 21 days
8 weeks... Buffet diet..
walk 2 miles per day 3 times a week.

This takes a good hunk of change ($$), but will put some weight on you.. (yeah, but DOC water weight)/// your going to game some water - so what... can get that off.. but water, helps you move around bigger poundage...

HUGE!!

DOC HUGE

Are you telling him to use drol and d-bol together???

And why such high test dosages??

Skip · Dec 17, 2003

Well, I am sure he is even more confused now, after posting this thread. lol

My opinions in short:

too many orals for too long.

too complicated of cycle but I respect that you put the time in to research and set it up.

you have your plan set up in 'chunks'. I would run the first chunk longer, the second chunk longer and then switch the test to prop and add winny OR anavar for the last 3-4 weeks of the second chunk. Then, PCT.

Just my opinion........

Skip

legend · Dec 19, 2003

i may be reading it wrong but i do not think you should be doing hcg for 26 weeks. that is not something to be taken for that long a period. i would run it in the middle for 3-4 weeks, and then again in the final weeks. not for 26 straight. and i would run enathate , and skip the cyp. not a big fan of cypionate, it seems you thought it out but over thought it. it looks like your trying to try everything you can. get more basic. a complicated cycle leads to disappointment. you do not need that much gear to grow. run the enathate to week 16, drop the cyp, and lower the winny dosage. i think 50mg is more then enough. winny can be very toxic to you liver, i'd drop it down and raise the anavar to 40mg ed. a little safer and less stress. just an opinion bro. do what makes you comfortable. be safe and be smart. good luck

Anadrol · Dec 19, 2003

Little is better

fame2002 · Dec 20, 2003

i have always used hcg all the way through my cycles, with great results, and NO crash period after, and almost no weight loss (only water). If u take small doses of hcg throughout it doesnt affect u negatively, there are starting to be more and more studies on this, not to mention hrt clinics always administer hcg each week, for younger hrt patients. This cycles is designed the way Dav Palumbo reccomends to do it, i may not do it this way, just wanted to see what everyoen on this board thought. I have always run long cycles before and it gets me great results, but the whole point to this cycle is to change compounds every8-10 weeks.

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