Insulin Checklist

BrownBomber · Jan 24, 2004

I plan on using Humalog in my next cycle and would appreciate it if you guys could go over plan and see if I got shit straight.......

-After Workout take Humalog and Immediatley consume 10 grams of Carb per IU of Insulin no more or no less, along w/ 60 grams of Whey. So basically on the 1st day I will take 2 IU's of slin, 20 grams of dextrose/malto, and 60 grams of whey. ZERO FAT CONSUMPTION

-Watch for signs of going Hypo. If you notcie you are, consume some gluco tabs.

- Exactly 1 hour after slin shot consume a meal such as chicken, fish, protein powder along with a carb souce that is low GI such as brown rice, beans, anything that is slow digesting. ZERO FAT CONSUMPTION

- 3 hours later I will consume my next meal which will contain fat and protein. Is this alright or to early to consmue fat still?

Does this look good?

If one has a high insulin sensitivity ( Which means that they gain fat when their carb intake is high. I do

) should they lower the amt. of carbs they take per IU of slin?

Thanks
BB

mcinfo · Jan 24, 2004

Great questions -I want to read the replys

Arned Flanderss · Jan 24, 2004

This is based I my personal experience results may or may not differ from each individual and do not apply to anyone but me.

1. correct, I PERSONALLY wait 10-15min
2. either that, or keep some sugar water(super concentrate gatorade is what I use) on hand. Fructose,Dxxtrose, Surcrose-simple carbs fast acting
3. I usally do not wait an hour as I am pretty sensitive. Although that you should be safe at 1 hour. Simple carbs are OK at this meal.
4. If you are anal about your fat and dieting you should wait the full 4-6 hours to when it is completely out of your system. If not a little fat does not harm drastically change my bf.

---- The golden rule is 8-10g per iu I have gone as low as 8 per iu ,while still keeping my protien at about 6 per iu. Anything under 8 is way to dangerous for me.

BrownBomber · Jan 24, 2004

Arned Flanderss said:
This is based I my personal experience results may or may not differ from each individual and do not apply to anyone but me.

1. correct, I PERSONALLY wait 10-15min
2. either that, or keep some sugar water(super concentrate gatorade is what I use) on hand. Fructose,Dxxtrose, Surcrose-simple carbs fast acting
3. I usally do not wait an hour as I am pretty sensitive. Although that you should be safe at 1 hour. Simple carbs are OK at this meal.
4. If you are anal about your fat and dieting you should wait the full 4-6 hours to when it is completely out of your system. If not a little fat does not harm drastically change my bf.

---- The golden rule is 8-10g per iu I have gone as low as 8 per iu ,while still keeping my protien at about 6 per iu. Anything under 8 is way to dangerous for me.

Wow...simple carbs are OKAY for this meal? Excuse my ignorance but wouldnt this (drum roll) make me fat? I always assumed that the only time I would need them is immediatly PW.

Thanks for the help!
BB

raybravo · Jan 24, 2004

BrownBomber said:
- 3 hours later I will consume my next meal which will contain fat and protein. Is this alright or to early to consmue fat still?

unless its too high in fat , its cool , u can eat that .

If one has a high insulin sensitivity ( Which means that they gain fat when their carb intake is high. I do ) should they lower the amt. of carbs they take per IU of slin?

Thanks
BB

and high insulin sensitivity means u dont add fat easily , what ure referring to is insulin resistance . what u need to do if ure not very sensitive is :
1)do cardio atleast 5 times a week.
2)lower carb consumption during other times of the day and make up for those cals with protein and fat (flax,cla).
3)post slin shot - 200 mg ala , 200 mg chromium picolinate .
4)increase the protein , it has to be 10 gms whey per iu , then u can play around with the amount of carbs used , u may be able ot get away with lower amount of carbs , something u will find out for urself .
and hey , good to see a bbing.com bro over here

BrownBomber · Jan 24, 2004

Re: Re: Insulin Checklist

raybravo said:
unless its too high in fat , its cool , u can eat that .

and high insulin sensitivity means u dont add fat easily , what ure referring to is insulin resistance . what u need to do if ure not very sensitive is :
1)do cardio atleast 5 times a week.
2)lower carb consumption during other times of the day and make up for those cals with protein and fat (flax,cla).
3)post slin shot - 200 mg ala , 200 mg chromium picolinate .
4)increase the protein , it has to be 10 gms whey per iu , then u can play around with the amount of carbs used , u may be able ot get away with lower amount of carbs , something u will find out for urself .
and hey , good to see a bbing.com bro over here

Thanks for the correction RB.

1) Cardio 5x's a week even while bulking?

2) Should the ALA and the Chrom. Pico dosage be adjusted w/ the insulin dosage? Meaning the more slin I take the more ALA/CP I would take as well or is this a set dosage?

BB.com has been slippin the past few weeks its like a deadzone over there. I rarely see anyone over there anymore

Thanks
BB

raybravo · Jan 24, 2004

the ala and chromium picolinate ,thats how much i normally use , not dependent on how much slin ure using ...and yes , cardio 5 times a week , compensate with increased calories from food is all ! u stay leaner and gains come better this way .

BrownBomber · Jan 24, 2004

RB,

I forgot to add that on another a forum a extremly educated member (not as smart as you though

) named Medhed said this to the over consumption of Protein w/ Slin post workout....

"It would be a very bad idea. Protein slows down the absorbtion of carbs. The effect would be higher probability of hypoglcemia and poor growth."

So my question is about your 10 grams of Protein per IU of slin statement. Does this stop at a certain dosage like say max. amount I should consume is 50 grams even though I may be shooting 12 ius of slin? Or should I consume 200 grams of Protein with 20ius of slin?

Thanks bro
BB

raybravo · Jan 24, 2004

whey spikes insulin levels as well ! so i dont really see the possiblity of hypo etc, and i speak from experience here regarding using 10gms whey along with the necessary amount of carbs . so no , i dont think there will be too much interference from the whey .
one thing to realise is , what u want the insulin to do is transport amino acids , thats the most important reason we use insulin , if we're not making sure of that , and just using carbs to cover up the insulin we just shot , then its a wasted purpose ,all u'll end up as is a fatass !

BrownBomber · Jan 24, 2004

Excellent points! So in theory you would actually go as high as 200 grams of whey for 20iu's?

Thanks
BB

PS - Do you know where I could find some studies that show Whey producres an insulin spike.? It would be much appreciated

raybravo · Jan 25, 2004

studies ? just type glycemic index and whey and u'll come up with plenty of links bro . and yeah , i normally stick to 10 gms per iu , but then again , i dont do 20 iu humalog , if going for higher amounts , i use mixtard .

Arned Flanderss · Jan 25, 2004

Simple carbs are OK for this meal but not as your primary source. You definetly NEED several other complex sources ie: beans, veges, rice, pastas.

It is not a good idea to take your protien intake that high. "Medhed" is accurate... Everything we eat has something called a Gastric Emtying Time(G.E.T.) The time it takes the body to digest and transport nutrients. The reason medhed advised against higher protien is because it has the slowest G.E.T. of anything we eat, not only slowing the processing of the protien itself but anything else being digested with it. Sooooooo protien will slow carb transport, at a very critical time,at high doses

BrownBomber · Jan 25, 2004

Arned Flanderss said:
Simple carbs are OK for this meal but not as your primary source. You definetly NEED several other complex sources ie: beans, veges, rice, pastas.

It is not a good idea to take your protien intake that high. "Medhed" is accurate... Everything we eat has something called a Gastric Emtying Time(G.E.T.) The time it takes the body to digest and transport nutrients. The reason medhed advised against higher protien is because it has the slowest G.E.T. of anything we eat, not only slowing the processing of the protien itself but anything else being digested with it. Sooooooo protien will slow carb transport, at a very critical time,at high doses

When you say the 1st meal are referring to the shake I take immed. after my shot or the one 1 hour after my shot?

How many grams of protein do you recommend then?

Thanks
BB

BrownBomber · Jan 25, 2004

raybravo said:
studies ? just type glycemic index and whey and u'll come up with plenty of links bro . and yeah , i normally stick to 10 gms per iu , but then again , i dont do 20 iu humalog , if going for higher amounts , i use mixtard .

What is a "mixtard?" Im assumoing you meant mixture of protein correct RB? IF so what type of mixture?

Thanks bro!
BB

Arned Flanderss · Jan 25, 2004

Do not go any higher than 75-100mg protien on any meal in one sitting IMO. Keep the shake you take immed. after your shot at around 60mg of protien

BrownBomber · Jan 25, 2004

Arned Flanderss said:
Do not go any higher than 75-100mg protien on any meal in one sitting IMO. Keep the shake you take immed. after your shot at around 60mg of protien

Thanks AF! If I was to start feeling Hypo how would I know how many GlucoTabs or Simple sugars I need? SHould I just take a whole mess of them or take a few?

Im not sure on how to figure this out.

Thanks again
BB

Arned Flanderss · Jan 25, 2004

Everyone kinda varys on that, start out with about 3 or 4 (5 or 10g?) tabs and continue from there as needed. I just have a super concentrate gatorade or powerade mix on hand and start to drink it slowly untill I feel better. Again everones different and if you follow up on your research here and everwhere else,listen and not venture off on your own slin doses and carb ratios you should ok. Just as long as you have something on hand, and enough of it, in case you go hypo you will be fine.. good luck

raybravo · Jan 25, 2004

BrownBomber said:
What is a "mixtard?" Im assumoing you meant mixture of protein correct RB? IF so what type of mixture?

Thanks bro!
BB

mixtard is 30 % humalog and 70 % isophane insulin bro , mixture of short acting and long acting insulins , this way , u can go upto 50+ iu of insulin without too many problems . thats not for everyone though .
and btw , post slin shot ,forget the glucose tabs etc bro , keep a nice coke next to u

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BrownBomber · Jan 26, 2004

raybravo said:
mixtard is 30 % humalog and 70 % isophane insulin bro , mixture of short acting and long acting insulins , this way , u can go upto 50+ iu of insulin without too many problems . thats not for everyone though .
and btw , post slin shot ,forget the glucose tabs etc bro , keep a nice coke next to u .

Holy shit I still got a lot to learn!!!

Im guessing you take the mixtard in the early morning and avoid fat throughout the day, correct?

Do you feel that only taking 10-12 ius of Humalog post workout will still give a good anabolic effect?

Thanks again
BB

raybravo · Jan 26, 2004

yes , thats right ,u do a early morning shot with mixtard , with breakfast .
and yeah , 10-12 iu humalog post workout will work well bro .

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