6 monther ???

OK, opinions are needed here.

I started my current cycle Dec. 1, thinking I was doing an April show so the timing was perfect. As it turns out, my first show will not be until June so.....

I was thinking of stretching my cyp and eq out until then and holding off on the winny @ 50ED and var @ 50/ED until 6 weeks out from the show. I'm running the cyp @ 750/wk and the eq @ 600/wk, now beginning week 11. A 6 month cycle would allow me to continue making nice gains before the show, rather than coming off and dealing with PCT, weight loss, etc., and then getting back on.

However, my worries........I've never cycled longer than 13 weeks and I do not want to damage my natural test production by staying on so long. I've always read that test/AS is like a battery...if you rely on extras and do not use your own frequently, it will go out permanently. Skip maybe you can enlighten me here.

Now, due to shrunken nuts, I started taking hcg last week @ 1,000 IUs EOD for stimulation, which I will run for 10 days now and then for 10 days again after coming off.

Is 6 months fine IYO or should I take a break before June??? Opinions?

I think it can be done. My Doctor always asks me why I don't stay on longer.

sirben187 said:

My Doctor always asks me why I don't stay on longer.

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That's one unique doctor. Are you using him for HRT or just telling him about your personal use?

I say go for it. It too am going to stretch out a cycle for about 6 months.

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supersport said:

I know this is a heavily debated topic but I have always done very long cycles-20-26 weeks mostly sus and a-50. I did this all through the 1990's and due to business concerns I went clean totally from 2000 until july 2003. I had absolutely no problem with endogenous test levels coming back IMO. I never got it tested but my libido was exactly the same, kept a fair amount of muscle (I did not even have any pct) and felt absolutely fine. I really kept a good deal of arm size and strength.
July 2003 I started back with prop at 750mg/EW-then in october I added tren at 75mgED for 15 weeks. At the end of the prop/tren run I switched over to test Enanthate at 1000mg/week which is what I am doing now..and I am getting ready to add A-50 at 50mg/ED for 6 weeks....then drop the a-50 and go back to test/tren combo.
I am at 32 weeks as of now....absolutely no problem at all. I had a comprehensive blood test done in Nov(?) and everything was fine. I am certain everything is fine now also...feel great really.
Hope this helps.

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in your case maybe it's due to the UBI and OXYGEn treatment you do. If don't experience anything (nut shrinkage in particular) you are very lucky. based on your posts you are very knowledgeable when it comes to the human body and the sciences involved with the medical aspect of treatments.

by the way, I've been on the oxygen treatment for a week now. My stomach was speaking some crazy language for a day or so. I must say, things are working much better. I won't go into details, but there has been some improvement in my overall health.

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GetnBigr said:

in your case maybe it's due to the UBI and OXYGEn treatment you do. If don't experience anything (nut shrinkage in particular) you are very lucky. based on your posts you are very knowledgeable when it comes to the human body and the sciences involved with the medical aspect of treatments.

by the way, I've been on the oxygen treatment for a week now. My stomach was speaking some crazy language for a day or so. I must say, things are working much better. I won't go into details, but there has been some improvement in my overall health.

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Glad to hear it is helping you out....and you could be right that the health/immune boosting measures I do may help nullify any potential sides. But I didn't start the UBI until 2000. I do believe it will keep liver values from rising...UBI is fantastic in cases of hepatitis. And I do take various herbs-licorice root and milk thistle always, ginko also. Good stuff, not the cheap shit at GNC and wallyworld.
The only testicular shrinkage I have ever experienced was when I used Tren this past fall-my first time with it. From now on when I drop Tren from my cocktail I will use HCG. But of course I will keep on truckin' with test E or Prop.
- I too experienced the stomache noises when I began using Magnesium Oxide.....probably killing off parasites, bacteria, viruses and especially candida. Keep me posted on how it goes...I have used it for about 4 or 5 years nonstop.....

This makes me feel much better supersport, thanks bro. I have some real improvements to make before show time so it should be smooth sailing if I stay on.

pumpseeker said:

This makes me feel much better supersport, thanks bro. I have some real improvements to make before show time so it should be smooth sailing if I stay on.

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You might want to pm Skip and Randy about what you are doing....I think they probably have a very good idea as to what someone in your situation should do.....

It's all dependent on the individual if you don'tmind me chiming in here. I have bros who've been on four years (that's a stretch) and they get blood work every six months, supplement properly and train hard without too many adverse complications. I tell many guys that 16 weeks isn't too much even for a third or fourth cycle as long as you take care of yourself. That should go without saying. From what I've read about you, you should be sailing in very smooth waters. Best of luck with the show.

I'd split it down the middle with a 2-4 week "cruise" period.

KidRok said:

I'd split it down the middle with a 2-4 week "cruise" period.

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What is a good product to cruise with?

pumpseeker said:

That's one unique doctor. Are you using him for HRT or just telling him about your personal use?

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Since I'm 23 I have no excuse for HRT Yeah, he helps with my personal use; he dispenses meds also. As to his credibility, he's a longevity specialist, and I know he has some additional training besides his MD.

KidRok said:

I'd split it down the middle with a 2-4 week "cruise" period.

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So, for 4 weeks in the middle, you suggest I drop the test/eq dosages or just run the test alone at a low dosage 250mg/wk or what? Then, back to original dosages?

bump for more repsonses...Skip? KR?

I'll share a story with you.
I find after about 3 months, I get "tired" of being on my cycle. The constant injections. And I find that I can't out much more weight on after 12 weeks. The most I have done is 4 months. I went in bulking with Sus@500mg and dbol first 4 weeks. Then went into [email protected]/day and EQ400mg. I was worried about receptor saturation then but that didn't happen.

MacGyver said:

I'll share a story with you.
I find after about 3 months, I get "tired" of being on my cycle. The constant injections.

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Yes, but you aren't competitive, are you? As a competitive bodybuilder, being on for longer periods is much more beneficial and rarely does someone that is competing, get tired of the cycle length.

Pump, I somehow have skipped over this thread quite a few times as I guess it didn't jump out at me. lol

I will give you a couple of my opinions and I hate to do this openly because my opinions are sometimes against the grain and some just think I am crazy. However, I don't do anything without a solid reason behind it.

THE most important thing to consider about cycling for a long period of time is whether you will honestly have blood work done and make adjustments, if necessary, and the degree of sides you have experienced on other cycles.

In MY opinion, if you do not have visible sides like acne, water bloat, hair loss, etc., on shorter cycles of 10-12 weeks, I do not think you will have these sides on longer cycles unless you increase the dosages. The sides that you can run into on longer cycles are the ones that usually aren't visible and only show up in an exam or bloodwork. Cholesterol is one that should be watched. Red blood cell count should be watched so that it doesn't go through the roof as it CAN do this over time. Long steroid cycles have been directly related to dangerously high RBC counts. There are more but I use these as examples. Your blood work will show this.

As far as shutting down goes, I think HCG and clomid therapy are a waste of money during a cycle. I know there are alot of guys that do not believe this but I have to say that I do not think that taking either one of these will get you "online" faster when you come off. I think the majority of guys that come off cycle will NOT have much problem at all getting back online - the main difference is how LONG it takes to get back online. Everyone is different. Look at me - I have been on for 3 years and I didn't have any problems creating my fourth child a few months ago. I am hardly shut down. Suppressed? I am sure, but not shut down.

If you keep your long cycles at moderate dosages and have regular blood work, I see no reason that you would have any problems. Of course, your choices in gear are important to the equation, also. I would not use orals (I hate em and don't recommend them in the offseason, anyway), you should keep your diet relatively clean and don't go for huge increases in bodyweight. Gaining any kind of weight at a very fast pace is far more dangerous, in my opinion, than most gear that you will take.

My opinion is that bridging is also a waste of time.

Just my opinion.......

Skip

Better late than never! I've been waiting for your response. That helps bro. Thanks. I plan to get blood work done at the mid point which is next week. I haven't had any sides at those dosages (750 Test/600 Eq). I'm still making nice gains in the gym in strength...weight has plateaued at 220 and is now inching up slowly (I was about 208 starting). As long as my blood work is fine, I will stay on at these dosages. I'm not planning to add any orals until 6 weeks out from the show...var along with winny injections ED.

Keep us posted but I think you will be just fine and you will be glad that you ran it as long as you did.

Skip

I like your opinions Skip. Makes alot od sense to me.