can u start hcg and still do...

something like winny and halo with it or would that just defate the purpuse of hcg?

i always run hcg the last two weeks of my cycle while im still running prop or another short acting ester. only thing you shouldnt run hcg with is nolvadex, and clomid...MM

HCG and nolva are supposed to be ran together I always thought.

yea i always thought ur sapose to run nolva or clomid wiht hcg because hcg makes ur estrogen levels go through the roof?

sorry bro, i didnt clarify, i meant during post cycle recovery dont run hcg with nolva. you can run nolva with hcg during a cycle, but not at the end. hcg will not help during pct.... if your running nolvadex to recover after your shots have left your system, do not run hcg...once youve started pct, hcg will become counter active if run..i hope that clarifies bro...sorry bout that...MM

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sorry bro, i didnt clarify, i meant during post cycle recovery dont run hcg with nolva. you can run nolva with hcg during a cycle, but not at the end. hcg will not help during pct.... if your running nolvadex to recover after your shots have left your system, do not run hcg...once youve started pct, hcg will become counter active if run..i hope that clarifies bro...sorry bout that...MM

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Please explain further. How do you figure? for PCT you use the HCG to bring your testes back to size so able to produce Test, and use the nolv to stimulate LH production, no?

What your saying contradicts the article I posted here previously by Bill Llewellyn. (and i'm not saying he's correct or your correct, I just wanted you to elaborate) I'm about to start PCT and with all the contradicting opinions it's a difficult decision how to run it.

p.s. I would link the thread but I can't figure out how to do it since my address bar always says www.musclechemistry.com

just run your HCG the jast week of you injections @ 1000 ED for 5 days, by the time you start your nolva 2 or 3 weeks will have past (depending on your AAS) and you should be fine

ok bro, lets try this again...we all know that hcg stimulates production of testosterone. and since it takes a while to get testosterone production going again after using steroids...the person that has used steroids will go through a difficult transition phase which often results in a considerable loss instrength and muscle mass. using hcg immediatly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this problem because hcg increases the testosterone production in the testes very fast. when testicular atrophy is caused by huge doses and long periods of usage, hcg will help bring the testes back to their original condition....so what im saying is you use it the last week or two before you start pct...post cycle means after cycle, which mean when your shot have left your system...if your shots are still in your system then you cant start pct...hence the words "POST CYCLE THERAPY"......i know what your thinking, your thinking hcg is used for pct. well "technically" and this is what im trying to say, you havent started PCT if your running hcg...pct STARTS when your shots are out of your system...SO if you decided to use nolvadex to help with PCT...then run hcg before you start your pct......all im trying to say above is that hcg is COUNTER ACTIVE if run after you shots have left your system IF you are already into clomid and nolvadex intake for PCT...this is as clear cut as i can make it bro...MM

I see what you're saying, it's just when I think PCT, I'm thinking about the drugs I'm using to get my system going again. which I guess isn't technically POST CYCLE THERAPY in the case of HCG since your cycle isn't done. Basically we're hung up on symantics.

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There are a lot of different opinions out there on when to use hcg. I agree with Madmax though...I'm just finishing a cycle now and I ran hcg the last 10 days of it....definitely seemed to help bring my boys back. Now, I've used nolvadex ED since mid cycle to combat gyno and even doubled the dosage to 20mgs/daily during hcg therapy...I'm running nolva ED until the end of clomid, which I'll be taking in a couple weeks when everything clears.

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There are a lot of different opinions out there on when to use hcg. I agree with Madmax though...I'm just finishing a cycle now and I ran hcg the last 10 days of it....definitely seemed to help bring my boys back. Now, I've used nolvadex ED since mid cycle to combat gyno and even doubled the dosage to 20mgs/daily during hcg therapy...I'm running nolva ED until the end of clomid, which I'll be taking in a couple weeks when everything clears.

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This looks good to me. I will do the same but will run only nolva starting with the HCG and continue it for PCT instead of clomid. What was your HCG dose daily?