Take 'em together
How do you figure? Take 4ad WITH the M1t or 1ad to minimize lethargy associated with use of 1Test products. Also 4ad gives androgenic component to complement m1t. together, they tend to work synergistically. I've never used it post cycle, but maybe you've had good results that way. Post cycle, I just use my usual PCT - clomid, l-dex, etc.