Nolva and gh update ...

Ok this came from a pro .. Never use gh and nolva at the same time , just sharing info ofcoarse he didnt explain it to me :S but yeah dont use them together , and for those who told me 1g is too much check this out , i went through his diary (without him knowing he was using 6g of test per 5 days , and the amounts of deca used are just crazy more than 3 g a week .. this is what i managed to see before i put the journal down . so thx to everyone for the previous thread .. offseason here i come .

Arabian_Freak said:

Ok this came from a pro .. Never use gh and nolva at the same time , just sharing info ofcoarse he didnt explain it to me :S but yeah dont use them together , and for those who told me 1g is too much check this out , i went through his diary (without him knowing he was using 6g of test per 5 days , and the amounts of deca used are just crazy more than 3 g a week .. this is what i managed to see before i put the journal down . so thx to everyone for the previous thread .. offseason here i come .

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Nolva will not affect the actions of GH and vice versa. There have been some studies to show IGF-1 levels both increase and decrease, depending on the study, with administration of nolva. With that being said, the effects of nolva on IGF-1 levels are probably negligible.

Here I go again....
Just because someone is a pro BBer and is huge, doesn't mean they know best. The number one reason a pro BBer is huge is because of excellent genetics and an above normal response to AAS. hard work and good diet are a close 2nd. Being able to put together a decent stack is a distant 20th or so.
The BBers that use megadoses with multiple compounds are just foolish. All these AAS molecules are competing for the same receptors. If you have 5g of test per wek and 800mg of deca (or any other compound) per week, the lesser compound becomes obsolete...you simply won't see any additional benefits from it. Huge megadoses do give you a higher probability of having successful AAS:AR binding, but there is a limit to this as well.


I always hear things like "I use Dorian's diet or training routine" or "I heard Cutler uses this stack, so I'm going to use it too"
Just because they happen to do something one way and also happen to be huge, doesn't mean that WHAT they do is necessarily the BEST way to do things.

Also, once you become 300lbs you aren't magically bestowed with infinite knowledge of the mechanisms of AAS or drug interactions of various sorts....those things are mutually exclusive.

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einstein1905 said:

The BBers that use megadoses with multiple compounds are just foolish. All these AAS molecules are competing for the same receptors. If you have 5g of test per wek and 800mg of deca (or any other compound) per week, the lesser compound becomes obsolete...you simply won't see any additional benefits from it. Huge megadoses do give you a higher probability of having successful AAS:AR binding, but there is a limit to this as well.

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i thought that the body will produce more AR (upregulation) in response to the exogenous hormones.

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flexshack said:

i thought that the body will produce more AR (upregulation) in response to the exogenous hormones.

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Initially, that is the case, but not necessarily in a dose-dependent manner to extremes. If this were the case, anyone would be able to get huge off a couple megadose cycles. There just comes a time when one becomes so large that the body has trouble maintaining the mass, and to overcome these counterproductive effects, megadoses are one way of potentiating a greater possibility of AAS binding ARs. There is little data on receptor upregulation (ARs), but there is enough to convince me. There IS also evidence of receptor downregulation over time in response to high levels of AAS (testosterone). The latter studies were in cell culture, but those that argue against the theory of receptor downregulation seem to neglect to mention those studies or downplay their significance. Rarely have I seen anyone who argues against receptor downregulation pose a reasonable possibility as to why growth does seem to plateau. It's not cortisol and catabolism while on AAS...we know that.....it's not SHBGs or serum albumin titrating the AAS, because we know that although these levels go up, they don't continue to elevate so as to normalize sex hormone (AAS) and estrogen levels to that of a nonAAS user. What is it then?? Why do gains cease as a cycle progresses....only to be revived again after a period of off time?

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einstein1905 said:

Initially, that is the case, but not necessarily in a dose-dependent manner to extremes. If this were the case, anyone would be able to get huge off a couple megadose cycles. There just comes a time when one becomes so large that the body has trouble maintaining the mass, and to overcome these counterproductive effects, megadoses are one way of potentiating a greater possibility of AAS binding ARs. There is little data on receptor upregulation (ARs), but there is enough to convince me. There IS also evidence of receptor downregulation over time in response to high levels of AAS (testosterone). The latter studies were in cell culture, but those that argue against the theory of receptor downregulation seem to neglect to mention those studies or downplay their significance. Rarely have I seen anyone who argues against receptor downregulation pose a reasonable possibility as to why growth does seem to plateau. It's not cortisol and catabolism while on AAS...we know that.....it's not SHBGs or serum albumin titrating the AAS, because we know that although these levels go up, they don't continue to elevate so as to normalize sex hormone (AAS) and estrogen levels to that of a nonAAS user. What is it then?? Why do gains cease as a cycle progresses....only to be revived again after a period of off time?

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i see. and good point.

9 grams of juice a week? goodbye liver.

WTF his liver doesnt grow to accomodate all that crap

I agree with einstein1905 on receptor down regulation on high dose/lengthy cycles. I once did a 10 months cycle and before the end of the cycle i was slowly loosing muscle mass no matter what i did.

Please remember that safety and health is and must be the key issues in this lifestyle of ours. Pros??? Bro pros get paid for what they do and they must be at the top of their games, do they always know what is right and best??? No, at one point an addiction is surely to occur and as with all addictions more is better. Pros get sick and yes they die also, way before their given time due to misuse.

But more in this lifestyle is not better as health risks become greater. Why have a great body/exterior when your interior is dying. I saw too many guys die from steroid over usage, and therefore am adamant on safe use of AAS.

STAY SAFE AND HEALTH AND IN THIS LIFESTYLE FOR LIFE AND A LONG ONE AT THAT!!!