igf-1 or hgh to get permanent size

woody01

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well guys its time for another cycle.(#4)i always end up at the same place at the end of my cycles.i've been competing and i want to move up a weight class.i have a small frame,dense,but the overall mass that i need to move up is not there genetically.
so,i have been told the gains u get from igfr-1 or hgh are more permanent.(what ever u gain,u keep)is this right?i'm going to do eneth.750wk,deca 300wk,either d-ball or anadrol for 3-4 weeks.
now to gain and keep permanent size what would you guys recomm. igf or hgh.i probably can only afford enough for this cycle.
30 days worth.
diet and training has always been on the money.now its me against genetics.I WILL WIN! lol
 
When you did your other cycles which you did not keep any gains, how long were the cycles and what kind of gear did you use?

Just curious as it seems you did not cycle correctly, the cycle you just mentioned for 3-4 weeks is a waste of time as only the anadrols will be working as the test enanthate and deca would not have even taken effect. All gains made on anadrols will be lost without other gear utilizing the gains from it.
 
i think i wasn't clear on my cycles.they were 10 weeks.the orals were 3-4 weeks.

last cycle was eneth. 1-10 500mg
deca 1-10 300mg
d-ball 1-4 35mg
post clomid/hcg slin as a bridge.

i didn't loose everything,i just always finish at the same place.
i keep maybe 50%

but if you finish at the same place and lose the same amount everytime,why do cycle after cycle.i need to break my personal platues.

this will be the forth cycle for me,as well as the most expensive.i'm just looking for 10 lbs more than last time
 
woody01 said:


i didn't loose everything,i just always finish at the same place.
i keep maybe 50%

but if you finish at the same place and lose the same amount everytime,why do cycle after cycle.i need to break my personal platues.


Sorry but you have me confused, you don't lose everything and you end up at the same place. So you are saying that if you started a cycle at 200 lbs you would end up back at 200 lbs??? But you keep 50%???

So through these three cycles which you have done you have not grown at all???
 
no what meant was if i start at 200 i ended up at 215.then i drop back down to say 205.then on my next cycle i go back to 215.then again the same.i want to get to 225 and keep more of it.i think its just i'm at the end of genetics.
will igf-1 make the gains stay, or would i be better with hgh?
ive done 3 past cycles,and i never get past the previous weight of the last cycle befor.is this making more sence now.i was tired before.
 
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