I was trying to do some searches on here for new fat loss since eca is out due to ephedrine being banned (im sure it is still easy to get though) and i saw some posts about NYC. But they all seemed to be posted before ephedrine was banned. Does anyone use a new thermal that worked just as well as the ECA or NYC, or still using NYC or ECA. Just wondering, i did the search, found some good info, but all seems to be outdated since the ban. Please fee free to PM me if you have any info on NYC, id be interested in trying it. Also please post your best thermos that you can freely use now.