Winstrol PCT, any suggestions guys?

Well i've been taking Winstrol 50s by itself for 5 weeks, 1 ml eod. since today's my last day for a hit i think it's time to start clomid. I have some Liqua-solutions, liqua-clomid. I'm not sure how much to take, when to take it. would a ml a day be okay??? Thanks guys

im trying to figure out how many mgs i took. The vial reads 50Mg. 20ML. So i'm guessing this means that the vial contains only 50 mgs of winny? and 20mls total. OKay I took 15 hits from the vial and today i'm sch for another shot. Should i start clomid today or take another shot and start the clomid afterwards? Please help guys

alot of guys will disagree with me on this one, but all you need to do is taper off your winstrol. for that small of an amount and such a small run, IMO, no PCT is needed.


i am a firm believer in the fact that you need to taper off ANY cycle you are on, whether it's a proven fact or not, i have been around the sport long enough and have seen enough guys do this to know it works.

bump. PCT not really necessary on such a short cyle with only winny at a low dose. Winny is a relatively mild steroid and using it for only for 5 weeks is hardly going to disrupt your natural testosterone production.
Although this does not apply to you at present Shadow X, I also agree with tapering down dosages on cycles. Withdrawal is horrible! Lot's of people blame Clomid, Nolva for their problems post cycle but its mostly just withdrawal.

shockfusion said:

bump. PCT not really necessary on such a short cyle with only winny at a low dose. Winny is a relatively mild steroid and using it for only for 5 weeks is hardly going to disrupt your natural testosterone production.
Although this does not apply to you at present Shadow X, I also agree with tapering down dosages on cycles. Withdrawal is horrible! Lot's of people blame Clomid, Nolva for their problems post cycle but its mostly just withdrawal.

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NO ONE has EVER agreed with me on this as it's not "proven".....with women IT'S A MUST!!!!!! unless you wanna be in pms 24/7. for men it's the same...

hormones are hormones are hormones...you start manipulating them, you MUST taper off.....saves a fortune on PCT as well

thank you for agreeing with me

*blushing* Thankyou QOD. I agree completely. Anyone with even moderate knowledge of the hormonal endocrine system should know this.

With winstrol, there is no need for clomid anyway, since the drug does not aromatise and actually down- regulates the ER. Clomid and nolva work by occupying and inactivating estrogen receptors in the hypothalmic-pituitary axis. But if there is no excessive estrogen to be blocked - I see no reason for the use of nolva or clomid - during shorter cycles, it is my belief, thatl stopping cold turkey is more advantages in the interest of a speedy recovery, but for long cycles tapering is a really good idea.

shockfusion said:

*blushing* Thankyou QOD. I agree completely. Anyone with even moderate knowledge of the hormonal endocrine system should know this.

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ive had this arguement many times on many boards with many men. they seem to feel that it doesn't matter whether you taper off or not.

they also think your body NEVER creates new receptor sites

I agree because years ago before so much info was avialable about PCT I used Winny and was told to taper off and I always kept good gains off of Winny.

My question is what do you need to do if you're cycling it with another drug and finishing up the end of your cycle with Winny... on paper it sounds like winny alone could be a great PCT depending of course on what you're on and for how long

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I agree because years ago before so much info was avialable about PCT I used Winny and was told to taper off and I always kept good gains off of Winny.

My question is what do you need to do if you're cycling it with another drug and finishing up the end of your cycle with Winny... on paper it sounds like winny alone could be a great PCT depending of course on what you're on and for how long

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Winstrol is definitely a good drug to end on. No matter what cycle you have done, adding winny at the end is going to help solidify those gains. I would always run winny past any other drug - say for example trenbolone - I would run the winny for at least a week if not two past cessation of the tren. Tren is a very suppressive drug, and you best be rid of it completely from your system before attempting pct.

You can do this for any other drug as well that you could use. Just calculate the half life/ drug clearance time of the drug, and run winny past this point by itself. I recomend using femara up untill the end of the cycle if your gear is aromatisable - since any estrogen floating in your system is going to cause suppression, and in my experience nolva and clomid do not block 100% of all estrogen in the body from binding to the ER - they just compete for the site. The half life of estrogen is much longer than test, so in the long run not having excess estrogen in your system to begin with is an advantage.

The only other drugs I could see you using while tapering off would be primo, or anavar.

These drugs are minimally suppressive, which means you can have more anabolics in your system without creating suppression, then steroids that are more androgenic such as testosterone or trenbolone.

A good oral taper would be tapering from 75 mg ed to 50mg ed to 25mg ed in 2 to 3 weeks. I think it is important to space out your doses equally however as you taper, as you don't want to be a victim of side effects d/t over fluctuation in hormone levels.

What about tapering off the AAS in not amount used but tapering down from the substance?
For example
If one was to be running a cycle 400mg test, 500mg EQ for 12 weeks, and planned to stopp the test 1 week, before stopping the EQ, and also adding whinny at 50mg ED for 3 weeks, and tapering to 25mg the last 2 weeks(total of 5 weeks) and the hitting the PCT.Allt the while also running HCG 2 times a week at 500iu(not into PCT).As far as PCT, was looking at the normal Nolva, Clomid route, but I m starting to hear good results with femera.During PCT, was also thinking about some IGF L3.



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