Liver / Kidney damage?

Blood tests excluded - what are some tell tale signs of liver / kidney problems?

I have had some discoloration / darkening of urine in the past but went back to normal after discontinuation. would some of the liver protectant products availablel prevent this?

poof said:

it may, i would be using liver protectants regardless of coloration of urine while on

others know more about this, they may be able to chime in

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Urine also changes color and smell when your body goes into ketosis.
I have had jaundice of the skin and very dark urine problems getting ready for a show a few years ago. There were a lot of possible problems- high protein intake, not enough water, and being ON(lots of AS, thermos, t3) for 36 weeks. But I also found out how ignorant docs are about this kind of stuff- they immediately wanted to cut me open and operate. I didn't and my symptoms eventually subsided and blood panels came back to normal. It was a valuable lesson indeed.

thanks for the info. i think i'll run some type of liver protectant next time - probably tyler's - and see how it goes.

bro take your liver protectants, ala, nac, tylers, milk thistle. and drink a ton of water. don't forget your cranberry extract too. i'm taking 75mgs winny ed after 7 weeks of 50mg dbol ed. i have 3 weeks left on the winny (along w/ a few other precontest goodies). you should be able to get your piss clear throughout the day. i have to drink 1 1/5 gallons before i start pissing clear. i drink 2 1/2 gal ed.

prbabeefed hit the nail on the head. Definitely be careful and try to drink as little or, better yet, zero alcohol while using things that are c-17 alpha-alkylated (liver toxic) such as dbol, adrol, winny, most orals and parabolan/tren too.