Nandrolone & Estrogen Double Relation.

Molecular Man

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I present you the double-sided estrogenic relationship of the famous nandrolone molecule.

(1) Nandrolone (19 nor-testosterone) can be aromatized.

Simple removal of the angular methyl group (as in 19 position in nandrolone- that's why it is called 19-nor) or the unsaturation at 1,4 positions REDUCES the rate of metabolic activity of aromatization. We have estrogenic products but lesser.

I want to add some information: 17alpha-alkylation causes a marked decrease in steroid aromatization, but offers no complete protection (17a-methyltestosterone has a 44% activity in aromatization compared to 100% testosterone activity.

K.J. Ryan, Acta Endocrinol. 35, Suppl. 51, 697 (1960)


(2) Nandrolone has estrogenic activity by itself - estrogen receptor binding affinity

Have you noticed that sometimes during a therapy with Deca that gyno can progress more ? And this cannot be stopped with aromatase inhibitors ? If yes then here is the explanation.. Nandrolone has affinity for Estrogen Receptor type Alpha !

Gangemi S et al, J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol (2004) 91(3) 99-109

" Rapid yeast estrogen bioassays stably expressing human estrogen receptors alpha and beta, and green fluorescent protein: a comparison of different compounds with both receptor types. "

Abstract :
Previously, we described the construction of a rapid yeast bioassay stably expressing human estrogen receptor alpha (hERalpha) and yeast enhanced green fluorescent protein (yEGFP) in response to estrogens. In the present study, the properties of this assay were further studied by testing a series of estrogenic compounds. Furthermore, a similar assay was developed based on the stable expression of human estrogen receptor beta (hERbeta). When exposed to 17beta-estradiol, the maximum transcriptional activity of the ERbeta cytosensor was only about 40% of the activity observed with ERalpha, but the concentration where half-maximal activation is reached (EC(50)), was about five times lower. The relative estrogenic potencies (REP), defined as the ratio between the EC(50) of 17beta-estradiol and the EC(50) of the compound, of the synthetic hormones dienestrol, hexestrol and especially mestranol were higher with ERalpha, while DES was slightly more potent with ERbeta. The gestagens progesterone and medroxyprogesterone-acetate showed no response, whereas the androgen testosterone showed a very weak response. The anabolic agent, 19-nortestosterone showed a clear dose-related response with estrogen receptor alpha but not beta. The phytoestrogens coumestrol, genistein, genistin, daidzein, daidzin and naringenin were relatively more potent with ERbeta. Ranking of the estrogenic potency with ERalpha was: 17beta-estradiol ? 8-prenylnaringenin > coumestrol > zearalenone ? genistein ? genistin > naringenin. The ranking with the ERbeta was: 17beta-estradiol ? coumestrol > genistein > zearalenone > 8-prenylnaringen ? daidzein > naringenin > genistin ? daidzin. The hop estrogen 8-prenylnaringenin is relatively more potent with ERalpha. These data show that the newly developed bioassays are valuable tools for the rapid and high-throughput screening for estrogenic activity.


Molecular Man's Suggestion: When prone to gyno or water retention use both estrogen antagonists and aromatase enzyme inhibitors, if you like to use Deca-Durabolin.
 
does tren?

I got great bulk off deca - but I also get gyno. I hear tren is not estrogenic - can you do some research on this?
 
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